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Nazi Concentration Camps

Interesting historical document, possibly too grim for many as it makes uncomfortable viewing.

Didn't expect to see the second document to have been witnessed by John Ford.

Was Patton's view edited out do you think?

I think the seppos where very restrainted with their tours for the locals, I'm not sure I'd have let them walk out of there if it was down to me.
 
Dhimmi said:
I think the seppos where very restrainted with their tours for the locals, I'm not sure I'd have let them walk out of there if it was down to me.
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Exactly what I thought.
 
Thanks for posting that. It's good that the German locals were often forced to acknowledge what happened on their watch; I didn't know that.

That was 6 reels of 80. Anyone who wants to quibble over the exact totals after watching that would have to be insane.
 
Thing is, not many care. Most are tired of hearing about and it just does not get through to them. It happened only 62 years ago, within a single life span and yet people only faintly care to hear about it. This shows how it could have happaned and why it will certainly happen yet again.
 
The state of Israel is not the Hollocaust survivors. Zionationalists spat at survivors in the street for having been so weak as to allow themselves to become victims. The psychology of Israel is not simple, and it's not Jewish. The majority of world Jewry reject Israel's excesses and resent the misappropriation of their histories and identities.

This short and very readable article offers a useful insight: Tommy's Granny
 
Sorry but this thread really disturbs me, my family were refugees from Nazi persecution. My Aunt Kath remembered her grandmother being shot for being Jewish, Aunt Martha remembered being terrified during Kristal Nacht and managing to escape to the UK. Herman remembered the trains going to the camps. They are all dead now, but the horrors they witnessed and escaped from were impossible to forget.

Threads like this sometimes seem to forget that there are some who still remember and continue to live with these nightmares.

I am sure, this being U75, that there is no explicit intention to glorify these horrors.
 
ymu said:
The state of Israel is not the Hollocaust survivors.
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You're right, it isn't. But, the State of Israel, along with some Israelis and Jews, has used the Holocaust in defence of its actions against, in particular, Palestinians.
 
dessiato said:
Sorry but this thread really disturbs me, my family were refugees from Nazi persecution. My Aunt Kath remembered her grandmother being shot for being Jewish, Aunt Martha remembered being terrified during Kristal Nacht and managing to escape to the UK. Herman remembered the trains going to the camps. They are all dead now, but the horrors they witnessed and escaped from were impossible to forget.

Threads like this sometimes seem to forget that there are some who still remember and continue to live with these nightmares.

I am sure, this being U75, that there is no explicit intention to glorify these horrors.
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While I similar links to the past, I firmly believe we must remember, however painful that is to do, so that the suffering can't be ignored, can't be (mis)appropriated by ideologues, can't be used as an excuse for further repression. If we don't remember, then both the nationalist Zionists and the Fascists win, because they'll have been allowed to appropriate our history for their own use.

Memorialisation is not glorification.
 
Urbanblues said:
You're right, it isn't. But, the State of Israel, along with some Israelis and Jews, has used the Holocaust in defence of its actions against, in particular, Palestinians.
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Yes. It's been misappropriated; we shouldn't encourage the myth by automatically linking Israel and World Jewry.
 
Urbanblues said:
What exactly has the State of Israel learned from events of 62 years ago?
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That the Jews need their own homeland where they will never be a minority again.
 
TomUS said:
That the Jews need their own homeland where they will never be a minority again...
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...and are therefore justified in committing genocide to achieve this end as this is the only way to achieve a demographic majority where none exists.
 
ymu said:
...and are therefore justified in committing genocide to achieve this end as this is the only way to achieve a demographic majority where none exists.
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Originally Posted by ymu
Zionationalists spat at survivors in the street for having been so weak as to allow themselves to become victims. ]


When did that happen?

Were they spitting on David Shaltiel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shaltiel
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ymu said:
Google it Johnny. You might learn something. :)
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Point is, you appear to be wrong.

If you make a startling assertion like that and expect people to believe it, you google it, and provide a cite.
 
I'm not rereading 68 books just to make sure I'm citing the correct author Johnny (but the one I think it is is well worth re-reading, so I'll check it asap for ya). And don't try to claim again that you've read thousands of hits cos I ain't gonna believe you.

But do google Israel's treatment of Holocaust survivors and take an honest look at the results. You might see something other than the simplistic black and white cartoon picture of the world you're so fond of. Shades of grey, not all or none. Zionism and Israel has a truly schizophrenic relationship with World Jewry; your assumption that victims could never turn victimiser is facile in the extreme.
 
ymu said:
I'm not rereading 68 books just to make sure I'm citing the correct author Johnny (but the one I think it is is well worth re-reading, so I'll check it asap for ya). And don't try to claim again that you've read thousands of hits cos I ain't gonna believe you..
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I haven't read thousands of hits. What I do, is utilize my own stock of knowledge for the most part, and if I think that what I'm saying is likely to be controversial or disputed, I just provide a cite to back it up right away.

You don't need to reread 68 books. Usually, if you've read something somewhere, you'll have the search terms or words that will let you bring it up pretty quickly.
 
ymu said:
But do google Israel's treatment of Holocaust survivors and take an honest look at the results. You might see something other than the simplistic black and white cartoon picture of the world you're so fond of. Shades of grey, not all or none. Zionism and Israel has a truly schizophrenic relationship with World Jewry; your assumption that victims could never turn victimiser is facile in the extreme.
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I did some searching re: zionists spitting on holocaust survivors in israel, and didn't find anything. Perhaps you can help me.

There is that Haganah commander who was a holocaust survivor, though.
 
ymu said:
Zionism and Israel has a truly schizophrenic relationship with World Jewry; your assumption that victims could never turn victimiser is facile in the extreme.
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I agree, mainly cause some of the most screwed up people i've ever met were Jews.
 
Detroit City said:
I agree, mainly cause some of the most screwed up people i've ever met were Jews.
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Fuck off you racist bigot.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I did some searching re: zionists spitting on holocaust survivors in israel, and didn't find anything. Perhaps you can help me.

There is that Haganah commander who was a holocaust survivor, though.
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This might explain why you have so much trouble googling for credibility Johnny. If you'd done the search, as you claim, you will know that "spit" and "spat" are hit a lot in words like "despite" and "spate" and that the hits are dominated by Israel's more recent mistreatment of the Holocaust survivors.

But instead, you just go to one massive Propaganda Library. Marvellous.

And he said this: why should us, the country poorest in land resources, bear the burden of solving the Palestinian problem? Well I don't know about you, but I remember some of the Nazi rhetoric in that dark period between the Kristallnacht of 1938 and the beginning of the war, when Jews were expelled from Germany but could find no safe haven anywhere else. When I see a retired IDF general and rising political star use the exact same Nazi rhetoric on Israel's most 'liberal' newspaper, without any criticism by his interviewer or the editors - my hair just stands on my head in horror.
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Where were all these holy souls, who now scold Tikkun because they indirectly allude to the Nazi horror, where were they all when a senior IDF officer proudly called, "in order to beat the Palestinians, let's be Judo-Nazis"?
http://www.seruv.org.il/MoreArticles/English/AssafOronEng_1.htm
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ymu said:
...and are therefore justified in committing genocide to achieve this end as this is the only way to achieve a demographic majority where none exists.
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Genocide? They've committed no genocide.
 
TomUS said:
Genocide? They've committed no genocide.
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Then you'd better check the definition of genocide. The separation barrier qualifies a genocidal act, let alone the diasporisation of 65% of the population.

You know that "ethnic cleansing" is just the term used for genocide in polite society, right?
 
goldenecitrone said:
And once again a thread about Nazis turns into a thread about Israel. Quelle fucking surprise. :rolleyes:
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we're gonna have to make a new version of godwin's laws at this rate ... :eek: :)
 
ymu said:
Then you'd better check the definition of genocide. The separation barrier qualifies a genocidal act, let alone the diasporisation of 65% of the population.

You know that "ethnic cleansing" is just the term used for genocide in polite society, right?
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Wrong. And building that wall isn't genocide in any way. I'll provide you with the definition to help you out:
Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId
Function: noun
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
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Now, tell me how Israel has destroyed the Palestinians.
 
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