dennisr
the acceptable face
well he had a point - the poor lamb. that was a quick lesson learned
National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10
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well he had a point - the poor lamb. that was a quick lesson learned
its not that they want protests to turn violent, its that the police want to turn violent and like having a pretty picture to justify it
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Great post!
i'mnotsofast
Well-Known Member
Yep, I just got a text about this. Saying get down there, more people needed, pass the message on!
It's in Market Place, Bermondsey, fwiw.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
A lot of people do want the ongoing protests to become violent though.
dennisr
the acceptable face
they have already been turfed out from what i hear - sorry to late
(appropriate name I guess
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
You don't get it, do you? People are angry, in fact fucking furious because your leaders lied to them, and broke a key promise, and the effect of that kicks them right in the balls. You've betrayed them, and discredited not just your party, but the whole political system. What else did you expect other than anger, and the way it so often manifests itself?
The Lib Dems didn't win the election though, the Tories got the most votes so it's only fair most of the policy is there. What the party has done is worked with the Conservatives to make the policy fairer.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
"Having viewed the video, I have concluded that what the government and the police told me is absolutely correct. There was no charge in either London or Manchester, as irrefutably evidenced by a 30 second video clip which cuts away to a red-faced copper half-way through."
Think for yourself. This is embarrassing.
That's a fundamental misrepresentation of what has happened that is being whipped up by the far-left, Unions and to a lesser extent the Labour party. It's bollocks, Labour introduced tuition fees, the Conservatives want to raise them. You don't as a smaller party get to bully your way to get your own polices forced upon the much larger partner. The reality is most people voted for a party that supports fees or wants to raise them.
The students are luck the Lib Dems are actually working to try and improve on the Conservatives proposals.
You can't hold the government to ransom over one area of policy as a smaller coalition party, that's nuts.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Ah, so this is the definition of 'fairness' the government is using. The Tories didn't win the election but it's their turn so it's only 'fair' that the Lib Dems prop them up against the wishes of the majority of the electorate, whilst spitting on their own voters.
Yeah, that's 'fair'.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You should definitely tell them this, maybe even make it the centre piece of your may 2011 local election campaign.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Repeatedly lying in public is now honesty and a principled refusal to 'hold to ransom'.
Hopeless.
Phil Aychio
The Poet In The Pub
yeah, with their little orange books
So now perhaps isn't the time to dictate/condemn how comrades choose to express that anger?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
What? That is precisely what small parties the world over have been doing for decades. It is the whole fucking point of being in a coalition - you can draw lines in the sand and force an election if the coalition refuses not to cross them. It's not about pretending to be the other party for a bit so we can have an unelected government for a while, you fucking moron.
Think for yourself. Read stuff that isn't written by
magneze
🎧
Third time ... Those who can afford to pay 9K per year will pay just that, everyone else gets stung with a loan at commercial rates of interest. Can you explain how that makes it fairer?
Yeah, coalitions collapse because the two parties ruck and fuck with each other. This isn't happening here though because idiots like moon are just nodding everything through and playing the apologist.
Ah well, it's your political future I suppose. People expect it from the Tories.
Ah well, it's your political future I suppose. People expect it from the Tories.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
How the FUCK is slashing uni funding and forcing through tripling of fees 'improving' tory policies? And how do you square that with clegg now admitting he wanted to follow that line BEFORE the election, but opted to lie to students instead?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Ymu's right, moon. A semi literate 13 year old can swat away your pathetic attempts at trying to defend the coalition.
I'm still waiting for you answer dylan's very obvious and yet brilliant question from a few pages ago. If Clegg says this is now a good thing, why was he so openly opposed to it and calling it a bad thing before the election? The tories are probably rolling about laughing at the moment because they get their policies enacted and it's you mugs who are getting all the shit for it. The lib dems are well and truly finished now
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I'm still waiting for you answer dylan's very obvious and yet brilliant question from a few pages ago. If Clegg says this is now a good thing, why was he so openly opposed to it and calling it a bad thing before the election? The tories are probably rolling about laughing at the moment because they get their policies enacted and it's you mugs who are getting all the shit for it. The lib dems are well and truly finished now
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Has he actually admitted that? When was this? LOL this is like watching someone who's read 'politicking for dummies' only they didn't quite understand it but thought they'd have a bash anyway. You should stand as a lib dem candidate, moon because it seems you'd fit right in.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Double post madness.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
NO party got a mandate, you were NOT compelled to go into coalition with them and give them cover for this all-out onslaught on the poor; you could easily have put them in as a minority govt - or had the lib/lab/nats grand alliance. But you didn't - and they got all they wanted.
You have totally FAILED to make the policy fairer - just ask the students. If your brave enough to say any of this to their faces, which I doubt.
AND your leader lied to them. There is zero unambiguity on this.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I'll have a dig around for you, but bear with me OK?
e2a: IIRC he and other lib dems were saying in private tehy wanted to drop the pledge, but they'd gone too far out on a limb on that to drop it at that point, without being crucified
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You sound like one of those old farts who sits in an armchair waving his stick at the pictures on the telly. "We didn't riot in my day. We had national service"! Hang on, that almost sounds like Tebbit circa 1983...
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