National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

[fractionMan]

Ah, the good old Mail, managing to work it's raging misogny into coverage of the riots

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ST-Students-streets-girls-leading-charge.html

how many photos of the same police van can they show in one article?

 

[Balbi]

Met say no police on horseback charged yesterday. Odds on a mobile video disproving that rocketing up shortly then

 

[nino_savatte]

I think the horse charge happened in Manchester.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

If the police van was planted, then what was their thinking behind that?

 

[nino_savatte]

If the police van was planted, then what was their thinking behind that?

They left it there because they knew that it would be an attractive target. It makes great telly news.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

I think the horse charge happened in Manchester.

Yep, horses were used several times to break up the crowd trying to block Oxford Rd. I was near the front the once this happened, how nobody was hurt I don't know.

*I think somebody broke their ankle thanks to a horse, according to my mates who saw it all, I must've somehow missed it.

 

[Balbi]

They left it there because they knew that it would be an attractive target. It makes great telly news.

"TEN THOUSAND MARCH AGAINST CUTS"

or

"STUDENT PROTEST TURNS VIOLENT"

Dead simple.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, horses were used several times to break up the crowd trying to block Oxford Rd. I was near the front the once this happened, how nobody was hurt I don't know.

yeh, in whitehall they nearly rode down someone in a wheelchair and an old man with a stick when they charged.

 

[IC3D]

Met say no police on horseback charged yesterday. Odds on a mobile video disproving that rocketing up shortly then

Definitely one in Whitehall as the protesters were getting pushed back to Trafalger sq, at least one person got trampled.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

"TEN THOUSAND MARCH AGAINST CUTS"

or

"STUDENT PROTEST TURNS VIOLENT"


Dead simple.

In other words the violence played right into their hands?

 

[Pickman's model]

In other words the violence played right into their hands?

who gives a fuck, you'll see some proper violence soon.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

In other words the violence played right into their hands?

Why should we try to appease the right wing press? They're never going to be won around, fuck the tory cunts.

 

[sunnysidedown]

I noticed there was a kettle of students around the cenotaph (surprise, surprise), what with all those wreaths just laying there - I'm sure there were a lot of press disappointed that those violent students didn't start chucking them at the police.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, horses were used several times to break up the crowd trying to block Oxford Rd. I was near the front the once this happened, how nobody was hurt I don't know.

*I think somebody broke their ankle thanks to a horse, according to my mates who saw it all, I must've somehow missed it.

yeh. it was a definite horse charge

 

[Balbi]

In other words the violence played right into their hands?

The protesters were flowing water, but the police were like heat and pressure, the police van the press' whistle on the kettle. Two parts are manufactured to produce the third.

 

[Balbi]

Shit name, shit analogies. As you were.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

who gives a fuck, you'll see some proper violence soon.

But I do give a fuck. I've got two kids who'll be hoping to go to uni in the next few years.

If the conspiracy theory about the van is correct, then the logic is that the authorities want to use protestor violence to their advantage and their seem to be a few out there who are more than happy to help them.

 

[Citizen66]

And how will the tutting and finger wagging help, Andrew?

 

[Threshers_Flail]

But I do give a fuck. I've got two kids who'll be hoping to go to uni in the next few years.

If the conspiracy theory about the van is correct, then the logic is that the authorities want to use protestor violence to their advantage and their seem to be a few out there who are more than happy to help them.

I can't really comment on what happened in London as I wasn't there, but in Manchester I saw no protesters being violent towards the police, the violence was all one way. Students who were marching down Oxford Rd, or sitting down in an attempt to stop traffic, were roughed up by the police. I saw children being charged upon by horses. As has been said by many before, just marching from A to B doesn't get you anywhere.

If you give a fuck why don't you do something about it? Or at least give us an idea of what you think might stop the fee rises and cuts?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

And how will the tutting and finger wagging help, Andrew?

Ask those who tut and finger wag. All I'm asking is if the authorities actually want protests to become violent, then how does obliging them help?

 

[Lock&Light]

Ask those who tut and finger wag. All I'm asking is if the authorities actually want protests to become violent, then how does obliging them help?

That's a very good question.

 

[sunnysidedown]

it's about tactics though isn't it? it appears the police deliberately left a van knowing full well what would happen, and they got exactly what they wanted.

the better tactics in this case for the protesters would of been to put a big fucking sign on the roof for the benefit of the BBC's sky cam with 'return to sender' written on it, and leaving it alone.

There will be plenty of opportunity in the future for more creative activities.

 

[fractionMan]

Look at what the daily mail has done with photos of the van. That'll give you an idea of why they did it.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

I can't really comment on what happened in London as I wasn't there, but in Manchester I saw no protesters being violent towards the police, the violence was all one way. Students who were marching down Oxford Rd, or sitting down in an attempt to stop traffic, were roughed up by the police. I saw children being charged upon by horses. As has been said by many before, just marching from A to B doesn't get you anywhere.

If you give a fuck why don't you do something about it? Or at least give us an idea of what you think might stop the fee rises and cuts?

TBH I think only a groundswell of public opinion amongst potential tory and lib-dem voters could pull the rug from under the coalition on this one.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

TBH I think only a groundswell of public opinion amongst potential tory and lib-dem voters could pull the rug from under the coalition on this one.

Lib Dem supporters are leaving them in droves. Tory supporters are a lost cause.

 

[ferrelhadley]

Sorry postd this on the wrong thread but someone got the plates or........

 

[chilango]

As darkness fell and temperatures dipped, bonfires were lit using the stolen riot shields and uniforms as students and schoolchildren danced in the streets to sound systems.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reets-girls-leading-charge.html#ixzz16IycBZnM

Failed author on the Mail staff?

 

[ferrelhadley]

Met say no police on horseback charged yesterday. Odds on a mobile video disproving that rocketing up shortly then

The BBC's Greg Wood said he saw horseback charges by the police "at the Trafalgar Square end of Whitehall".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11839386

Beeb jurno says he witnessed it.

Piggies telling porkies? "And he jumped over the ticket barriers....."

 

[sunnysidedown]

I notice the mail uses the term a van under every photo, not the van.

 

[xes]

Ask those who tut and finger wag. All I'm asking is if the authorities actually want protests to become violent, then how does obliging them help?

it discredits and undermines the protest, turning people against them, and making the protests/protesters unpopular, and people less sympathetic to their cause.