Musicians you idolised as a teen who turned out to be dickheads

[killer b]

Still too many cesare.

 

[cesare]

Still too many cesare.

True

 

[existentialist]

Ain't it great when people refer to themselves in the third person?

Yeah, it's not the sort of thing you'll find the existentialist doing.

 

[redsquirrel]

I voted Labour, you illiterate wankstain.

Aye a prick like you would support austerity measures.

 

[8Sam0]

I was a huge Megadeth fan as a kid. Then I heard Dave Mustaine open his mouth. Right Wing, gibberish-monger.

 

[butchersapron]

Merle Haggard turning all liberal and open minded was a bit of a let-down.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Aye a prick like you would support austerity measures.

I would have supported your abortion if the world could have foreseen what kind of spunkbubble you were going to turn into.

 

[8Sam0]

I don't know if I'd call him a liberal. I don't agree with everything he says, but he clearly has his own opinions. I can respect that.

 

[butchersapron]

Her post facto explanations don't really fit with her the country heading towards socialism claims in the vid.

 

[ska invita]

I feel badly let down by Wham.

opposite - went from zeros to heros in my book!

Surprised nobody's mentioned John Lydon yet. Revered as the punk messiah in his youth. Sadly he seemed to believe it himself and it completely retarded his intellectual and emotional development - resulting in him becoming a narcissistic, embittered, self parody; propping up ex-pat bars in LA, whining about 'back home' with his pockets stuffed full of shekels from butter commercials.

one of the other pistols did a corporate gig for bankers a couple of years back and one of the other ones did something else shit as well

 

[Chick Webb]

I was a huge Megadeth fan as a kid. Then I heard Dave Mustaine open his mouth. Right Wing, gibberish-monger.

Ahh, I still love them. I'm waiting for the day when he says something TRULY unforgivable though. Although I just thought "oh, Dave!" when he said that thing about the cinema murders, so maybe he can't actually offend me.

It's terrible of me, but any time I've seen them live, I've been waiting with baited breath for him to say something preposterous, but he never does onstage these days. I think he's on the dry, which is a good thing I suppose, but I still want him to come out with some gem of ridiculousness in my presence. Poor old Dave the freakshow.

 

[skyscraper101]

Ahh, I still love them. I'm waiting for the day when he says something TRULY unforgivable though. Although I just thought "oh, Dave!" when he said that thing about the cinema murders, so maybe he can't actually offend me.

It's terrible of me, but any time I've seen them live, I've been waiting with baited breath for him to say something preposterous, but he never does onstage these days. I think he's on the dry, which is a good thing I suppose, but I still want him to come out with some gem of ridiculousness in my presence. Poor old Dave the freakshow.

What did he say about the cinema murders?

 

[Chick Webb]

What did he say about the cinema murders?

He blamed Obama for them. Well, not that Obama actually did them personally, but that he sent his lackies to do them, in order that he could take away everyone's guns. OH, DAVE!

 

[DotCommunist]

He blamed Obama for them. Well, not that Obama actually did them personally, but that he sent his lackies to do them, in order that he could take away everyone's guns. OH, DAVE!

false flag! false flag!

dickheads

 

[Derek S-H]

Super-long, 11 year Thread bump!

Any musician I've ever met has always been very polite and engaging.

Kevin Rowland was very nice as I talked about a recent Guardian interview he gave. Kate St John was rather serious, but didn't take offence when I suggested she was as blind as a bat. Kathryn Williams gave me a hug when she recognised me. Jens Lekman sang "Julie" to me and a friend in Swedish outside a venue. And Boo Hewerdine invited me on stage and I held his mobile phone that had the lyrics to a song I requested - "She's My Bible."

Best of all is Mathias Kom of my current favourite band, The Burning Hell. I've e-mailed him a number of times and he always replies. He responds to my comments on his Patreon page. And he regularly plays my song requests, namechecks me on stage and always hugs me when I meet him after the gig.

But in the spirit of this Thread: I was mortified when I discovered that Kate Mulgrew (Captain Janeway) treated Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) badly during their time together on "Star Trek: Voyager." I loved the Janeway character and found her utterly inspiring, so it was heartbreaking to read that Jeri used to cry before doing scenes with her.

There is a long backstory to all this and it's easy enough to find online, so I won't bore you with the details here, especially as it's not about music. But there is an Indiegogo-backed Blu-Ray due for release next year of a "Voyager" documentary, and Kate is interviewed and does discuss the Jeri stuff and does own it and is very apologetic and regretful, by all accounts.

 

[petee]

FFS! I'm always really disappointed when I hear a musician I like is religious

david thomas (pere ubu) is a JW but that hasn't gotten in his way. god's kingdom come is as good as anything they ever did.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Seize the fucking Day When I was trying super hard to be a right-on radical in my uni days I went though a (mercifully short) phase of really being into them. Now I just think they are just cringeworthily pretentious, and a caricature of protest musicians.

I used to know Theo Simon from before Seize the Day were very well known and he was a complete twat. Told me off once for talking at a protest. Sanctimonious middle class arse. Then a few years ago he was part of the transphobic/TERF mob in the green movement. But then I never thought he was any good - fake as they come.

 

[Lotte]

That's sad about Seize the Day, I saw them at Glastonbury in 2005 and liked them. One of my mates who I was working with was a big fan.

My 'musician I loved who turned out to be a dickhead' was Franny Griffiths from Space, although that's partly personal stuff, but outside of that, I did side-eye him for defending Luis Suarez and getting super arsey with anyone who disagreed with him or called Suarez racist, and I have a feeling he was behind Space playing a gig in Qatar. It was Liverpool FC-related so it was almost certainly Franny's doing. Phil Hartley can also fuck off for being a Shapiro/Peterson fanboy, and Jamie Murphy for being a nasty little racist (and alleged Islamophobe). Tommy Scott is lovely though. I've never heard bad things about him from anyone. Yorkie is a good bunch of lads as well and tbh I don't blame him for not wanting to take part in the reunion. He's moved on, as has Leon Caffrey, and he and Franny hate each other. It wouldn't have worked.

Wouldn't say I idolised Lostprophets, Marilyn Manson or Rammstein, but I was a fan of all of them as a teen and...yeah. I knew Watkins was a skeeze but didn't realise just how depraved and evil he really was. On a lesser note, SOAD and the Deftones are two of my faves and it sucks that John Dolmayan is right-wing and Stephen Carpenter has some questionable views on vaccines.

More recent, but I've recently gotten back into Lush, as well as Piroshka, and I have a nasty feeling Miki is a TERF. She's not as open about it as Anouk or Roisin Murphy, but she's liked a lot of TERFy stuff on Twitter.

George Michael is the reverse. Not that I didn't like him before, but all the stories that came out after his death were very sweet.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

I've seen Miki expressing TERFy opinion. Haven't listened to Lush since, though i used to be a pretty big fan, saw them live, bought their eps, etc.

6Music played Murphy the other day and i switched over to Radio 2. I'm just not putting up with such cunts in my personal space.

 

[Lotte]

There's another aspect to this. A lot of big name musicians died when I was a teenager. Hendrix, Joplin, Keith Moon, Brian Jones, Jim Morrison, etc. So it's like they got the dream life of money and music, but they fucked up and ODed, drowned in bathtubs and swimming pools etc. I couldn't idolize that.

Hendrix, you listened to the man when he was alive, it was obvious: he'd done way too much acid. He was kind of messed-up - but the sounds from his guitar. A flawed genius. I loved the product of the genius. I wasn't drawn to idolize or emulate the flaws.

Old post is old, but I had a similar thing about Cerys Matthews - I idolised her as a teen and I didn't just want to fuck her, I wanted to be her. I wanted to get drunk and do drugs and fuck loads of men. I look back now and realise that I was an idiot. Alcoholics are less glamorous when you have to live with one - my mum, in my case. She didn't have fun wacky adventures and end up going to France on a ferry or hang-gliding or driving a digger while pissed. She just cried a lot and barely got out of bed and had to be taken to hospital a couple of times, and I find reading about Catatonia kind of triggering now because of the hyperfocus on Cerys' drinking and OMG WOW THIS WOMAN IS CONSTANTLY PISSED ISN'T SHE AMAZING?! The press glorified what was a very obvious drink problem and Cerys is lucky to be alive, especially as she got into heroin and it could have killed her.

Re Miki, it's sad she's a TERF because I agree with her on a lot of things. It's just the transphobe shit I hate. I will say this for Cerys, she isn't a TERF. Quite the opposite in fact.

 

[krtek a houby]

david thomas (pere ubu) is a JW but that hasn't gotten in his way. god's kingdom come is as good as anything they ever did.

I believe Bob Marley was quite religious too, and never released a dud record.

 

[Knotted]

david thomas (pere ubu) is a JW but that hasn't gotten in his way. god's kingdom come is as good as anything they ever did.

Wow, did not know that.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

James Hetfield saying feminism caused the break of his marriage is a huge

 

[Kaka Tim]

James Hetfield saying feminism caused the break of his marriage is a huge

whod have thought that utter wanker from metallica would turn out to be an utter wanker?

 

[xenon]

I don't really get this. I didn't idolise anyone as a teenager. There were actors I thought were cool, compelling, musicians and bands who's music I felt spoke to me, but I didn't really know enough about any of them. That is, I wasn't aware in any depth about their political opinions, general demina. Maybe cos I didn't read magazines or maybe I just don't work that way, dunno.

 

[xenon]

Like as above, I love Metallica. Am I disappointed, gutted to find out, well further info to the file, that James Hetfield is a twat. Not really.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I loved Matt Johnson as a teen. . . but he appears to have said a few daft things about covid and other conspiracies.
Even though he was in hospital during the pandemic and could see it all with his own eyes.
Even did a song with dodgy lyrics about it on the new LP.

At least he didn't go mad off on one at the time and endanger peoples lives.

 

[skyscraper101]

Since I last contributed to this thread I should definitely add Ian Brown who since outed himself as a knobber during covid.

Dee Fearon from Baby D also went totally batshit over vaccines but I wouldn't necessarily describe her as an idol. TBH nor would I of Ian Brown but you know, huge amount of respect lost on both parts.

 

[skyscraper101]

whod have thought that utter wanker from metallica would turn out to be an utter wanker?

Hetfield and Ulrich deserve each other. What a life being in that band having to tolerate those egos.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Hetfield and Ulrich deserve each other. What a life being in that band having to tolerate those egos.

See Newsted leaving…seems like he was a genuinely decent fellow