Where abouts is that bit about consenting to the possibilty of being confiend by the police, i tried doing a text search but could not find it in the ruling.
Mayday 2001 Oxford Circus - HoL rules no false imprisonment
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Where abouts is that bit about consenting to the possibilty of being confiend by the police, i tried doing a text search but could not find it in the ruling.
winjer
holocene death beat
1999 - "the party line" - RTS attempt to fill the circle line in solidarity with tube workers, police take them express to Clapham for the cannabisfest.
2000 - "guerrilla gardening" - RTS dig up parliament square, Turkish Stalinists graf the cenotaph.
2001 - "mayday monopoly" - Swappies and liberals detained at Oxford Circus, much rioting elsewhere.
2002 - "mayfair mayday" - Womble7 trial, decentralised stuff all over, cops attack street party in Soho in the evening, most people go on TUC march.
2003 - "weapons of mass construction" - some decentralised stuff, main groups corralled and marched to Traf Sq to join the TUC, which had been hijacked by STWC
winjer
holocene death beat
Rather let down by them being too busy holding people at Oxford Circus to do anything about the West End getting smashed up.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Indeed, this is bollox.
winjer
holocene death beat
Paragraph 61, Lord Neuberger, a former investment banker.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Full quote there is:
Which is not quite as bad as your misquote in the first post. Not that I'm defending the decision. But if you're going to attack it you've got to attack it on the right basis.
winjer
holocene death beat
It's not a misquote, it's an abbreviation.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
It's a misleading abbreviation then. And if you do abbreviate quotes like that you should put in [...] to show you've taken chunks out. If you want to be honest that is.
I'm on your side. I just don't think that kind of thing helps.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
guerilla gardening was 2000, monopoly was 2001... though I missed the monopoly due to being a good boy as I still had 6 months of my conditional discharge to go from getting bored (in the ultimate non-violent way) in the 2000 trafalgar square kettle...
Thanks, it's a tautological argument he uses though. Because the police confine people, by placing yourself in a situation where they are likely to confine you are consenting...
So in Zimbabwe where the police beat people on protests, if I was going on a protest would I be consenting to their beating me?
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Livingstone gave the green light to very heavy tactics on the day as he realised that there were very few votes available to him from most of the people attending the day. I can remember on of his peeps being at a very poorly attended session in the 2000 pre-mayday conference on Holloway road. I had wandered in by accident and made my excuses and left sharpish. I am sure it filtered back to him that he was likely to get more votes from people worried about a days shopping being disrupted than a days protest being destroyed. In 2001 the whole situation had been hyped up by the standard, the Guardian and Livingstone to absurd degrees. Can anyone remember the reports of preparations being made by samurai sword wielding squads of protesters and of Hackney based training camps?
The fact that a LSE student SWP group moved, very noisily, towards Oxford circus at 2pm has always seemed suspicious to me. It all seemed too choreographed. Once people started following them they were ushered by the Police into the Circus where they were kept for hours. Not a pretty site at all seeing young friends shivering in the drizzle with no toilets. Pissing crouched against a wall. Teenage girls crying. Pretty fucking horrible in fact. Most people at the time thought that it would be declared illegal once it reached the Courts. just shows what has happened in the mean time that this judgemnt doesn't really come as a surprise.
The fact that a LSE student SWP group moved, very noisily, towards Oxford circus at 2pm has always seemed suspicious to me. It all seemed too choreographed. Once people started following them they were ushered by the Police into the Circus where they were kept for hours. Not a pretty site at all seeing young friends shivering in the drizzle with no toilets. Pissing crouched against a wall. Teenage girls crying. Pretty fucking horrible in fact. Most people at the time thought that it would be declared illegal once it reached the Courts. just shows what has happened in the mean time that this judgemnt doesn't really come as a surprise.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
you remember it all very differently from me. i recall walking thru the back streets of oxford street shouting "who's streets, our fucking streets", i remember people being too dimwitted to keep mobile and alert and alive, i can't forget being chased for miles by tsg goons, batons drawed cos we'd made our way out of the clamp-down. i don't think there was a conspiracy, more a massive error in strategy and planning.
Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to Strasbourg she goes 
Skimming the judgement looking at the precedents cited, I'm thinking their Lordships may be trying to anticipate arguments there at the European Court of Human Rights.
I wouldn't be surprised if this pissed off the ECHR judges.
Skimming the judgement looking at the precedents cited, I'm thinking their Lordships may be trying to anticipate arguments there at the European Court of Human Rights.
I wouldn't be surprised if this pissed off the ECHR judges.
Oh well if first you can't the ruling you want then find another judge. Its' the way the game is played innit. Of course there is an element here than don't believe in the law which is quite ironic when you then start seeking rulings from courts. Then of course when it doesn't go your way ..
Anyway. The score is 40/0 to us. Deal with it.
Anyway. The score is 40/0 to us.
Deal with it.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Oh well if first you can't the ruling you want then find another judge. Its' the way the game is played innit. Of course there is an element here than don't believe in the law which is quite ironic when you then start seeking rulings from courts. Then of course when it doesn't go your way ..
Anyway. The score is 40/0 to us.
40/0? Depends on the period measured doesn't it?
Poll tax demo= 9/0 to us
June 18th 1999= 8/0 to us
Brixton riots 1985= 7/0 to us
I could go on.
Don't know if you would class Brixton as a demo more of a race riot.
I'll give you the Poll Tax Demo if you admit Mayday was a load of wank.
I'll give you the Poll Tax Demo if you admit Mayday was a load of wank.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
which one?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Race riot? a) it wasn't and b) the racial elements were directed against who? Can you guess? It ws your comrade in arms for their shocking racism wasn't it?
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Does the Broadwater Farm riot count, or am I getting ahead of myself?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Of the 2000 people nicked in Brixton 85, the majority were white so race riot??
Mayday with the gardening thingy was a load of wank yes.
Really didn't know but maybe its' because us coppers are afraid to nick black people or is that white people can't run fast when loaded down with cameras ?
On a serious note I was always led to believe that Brixton was a classic race riot ( I know the term is now considered old ) . Brixton was born out of the unrest by the black community against oppressive police tactics on sus called OP Swamp. Therefore race was surely an issue.
I am not sure Broadwater Farm was the same .
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
These lyrics from the Tottenham AK47's classic song entitled "Tottenham 3" (also covered by AOS3) provides some context I feel:
Tottenham three, set them free
Set them free, cos they're not guilty
Tottenham, October, 1985
Spirit of resistance, very much alive
When those racist cops tooled up, attack
Tottenham youth were ready to fight back
Against years and years of being pushed, downtrodden
Routinely harassed, its gone on too long
Cos the cops took a beating when they choose to attack
Tottenham youth were ready, Fight Back!
Those cops were reeling
Hundred were arrested in the months that followed
Doors smashed down in the middle of the night
Three men framed who are now in prison
State clampdown on those who fight
Against years and years of being pushed, downtrodden
Routinely harassed, its gone on too long
Cos the cops took a beating when they choose to attack
Tottenham youth were ready, Fight Back!
Tottenham three, set them free
Set them free, cos they're not guilty
...and they weren't either......
Tottenham three, set them free
Set them free, cos they're not guilty
Tottenham, October, 1985
Spirit of resistance, very much alive
When those racist cops tooled up, attack
Tottenham youth were ready to fight back
Against years and years of being pushed, downtrodden
Routinely harassed, its gone on too long
Cos the cops took a beating when they choose to attack
Tottenham youth were ready, Fight Back!
Those cops were reeling
Hundred were arrested in the months that followed
Doors smashed down in the middle of the night
Three men framed who are now in prison
State clampdown on those who fight
Against years and years of being pushed, downtrodden
Routinely harassed, its gone on too long
Cos the cops took a beating when they choose to attack
Tottenham youth were ready, Fight Back!
Tottenham three, set them free
Set them free, cos they're not guilty
...and they weren't either......
stupid kid
...
It was great, first protest I ever went on. Got beaten up a bit, but I was so full of adrenaline I didn't even care. In the end everyone got too tired for it and went home, you can only spend so long running around.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Heh, I used to have that album.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or a couple of decades...
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
our very own durruti offers you the opportunity to remember those heady days...ak47's
Was it a female copper in charge? She was trying out her new crowd control containment theory? And now the Lords have backed her up.
I remember seeing it but sussed what they were up to and made sure I wasnt enclosed.
Think it is very dangerous having coppers containing people........especially after Hillsborough where all the coppers got off despite being guilty. What was the ratio of space allowed per person? Were the coppers watching overhead making sure no one got crushed or suffered injuries?
I remember seeing it but sussed what they were up to and made sure I wasnt enclosed.
Think it is very dangerous having coppers containing people........especially after Hillsborough where all the coppers got off despite being guilty. What was the ratio of space allowed per person? Were the coppers watching overhead making sure no one got crushed or suffered injuries?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Cheers! It's worse than I remember.
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