Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[ska invita]

Nope, a conspiracy theory would involve the police cover up having been deliberately orchestrated by zionists in order to provoke the riots.

its a shame conspiracy theories have been so sullied: it does appear to me that the police have conspired to pervert the course of justice, and an unproven different version of accounts has to be a theory <classic conspiracy theory in fact.

 

[xes]

its a shame conspiracy theories have been so sullied: it does appear to me that the police have conspired to pervert the course of justice, and a different version of accounts has to be a theory <classic conspiracy theory in fact.

most conspiracies aren't, it's just some cointelpro bitch will chuck in a load of zionist type stuff, to discredit anything they don't want to be discussed. And it IS very effective. Yes, there are quite a few of the nutters out there who do believe in the zionisticy shit, and they are wankers too. (they fell for the cointelpro) But hardly any actual CT has anything to do with Jewish people. Like, at all.

The conspiracy coming out of this, involves numerology to some point. Not zion agendas.

 

[TruXta]

Met chief says armed plod to wear cameras from now on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25663495

 

[xes]

Met chief says armed plod to wear cameras from now on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25663495

ALL polilce should wear cameras at ALL times they're on duty.

 

[Pickman's model]

ALL polilce should wear cameras at ALL times they're on duty.

it would diminish the number of assaults they receive

 

[brogdale]

He actually said..

he... has agreed to a pilot project involving firearms officers wearing video cameras to record incidents such as the one in which Duggan was killed.

"We want to see if this is an effective way to record evidence and ensure public confidence," he said in statement on Wednesday night.

The move was welcomed by former Met commissioner Lord Blair. "If everything is on film then it becomes easier to understand what's happened," he told Today.

He added that video of the death of Lee Rigby showed the public that police officers have to react in "milliseconds".

Interesting that Ian Blair seeks to reference the Rigby shootings; from memory, the OB did indeed appear to have very little time in which to react, and when they did they incapacitated both men with non-fatal shots. Hmmmm

 

[xes]

it would diminish the number of assaults they receive

And fasle complaints against them!

 

[butchersapron]

it would diminish the number of assaults they receive

Always a drawback.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It would be a pretty shaky start from a "lawful killing" verdict wouldn't it?

ViolentPanda, I haven't really followed this. Any chance of a summary of the verdict?

I notice Dexter has linked to the jury conclusions, and you can't really get a better summary from their perspective.

Unfortunately for the Duggan family, coroners courts and the decisions they offer aren't particularly nuanced (a straight choice between 3-5 possible verdicts), and of course jurors are led to believe that their choices reside only in the "official" verdicts that they're informed about, as coroners, briefs, judges etc tend to keep quiet about the fact that juries have the power (and indeed the duty) to pass "perverse" verdicts if they feel that the evidence warrants it.

 

[TruXta]

He actually said..



Interesting that Ian Blair seeks to reference the Rigby shootings; from memory, the OB did did indeed appear to have very little time in which to react, and when they did they incapacitated both men with non-fatal shots. Hmmmm

Cheers.

 

[white rabbit]

Page 5 explains why the jury reached the verdict they did; they had little or no choice with the directions they were given by the coroner. BA had it right a long way back in this thread; all the police had to do was maintain that they honestly believed something to be true (that Duggan had a gun in his hand) even if it could be shown to be impossible. The honest belief of the police officer makes it a lawful killing; this is an incredibly dangerous state of affairs and one that hasn't been picked up on by the mainstream media at all.

Surely the part of the point of juries is to evaluate the truthfulness of witnesses. If someone in the witness box is plainly lying, the jury isn't bound to accept that. In fact their job is the very opposite.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Surely the part of the point of juries is to evaluate the truthfulness of witnesses. If someone in the witness box is plainly lying, the jury isn't bound to accept that. In fact their job is the very opposite.

Hard to reach any but the most depressing conclusions about the UK, including still-pervasive racism at all levels, when a jury knows it is being lied to but still gives a pro-police verdict.

 

[xes]

Something which just occured to me, sorry if this has been covered, but Mark was shot whilst he was on his knees, with his hands behind his head. But wasn't there a bullet, which deflected from inside the taxi, which rebounded and ended up back in the cops radio? How does that happen?

 

[ddraig]

i don't think it deflected from the taxi and hit the shooter, it hit his colleague
was it accepted that he was shot on his knees?

 

[Pickman's model]

Hard to reach any but the most depressing conclusions about the UK, including still-pervasive racism at all levels, when a jury knows it is being lied to but still gives a pro-police verdict.

so you're calling the jurors racist?

 

[Balbi]

That's the through and through which went through his bicep, the first shot.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Something which just occured to me, sorry if this has been covered, but Mark was shot whilst he was on his knees, with his hands behind his head. But wasn't there a bullet, which deflected from inside the taxi, which rebounded and ended up back in the cops radio? How does that happen?

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

 

[dylanredefined]

He actually said..



Interesting that Ian Blair seeks to reference the Rigby shootings; from memory, the OB did indeed appear to have very little time in which to react, and when they did they incapacitated both men with non-fatal shots. Hmmmm

Just luck taught to aim center of body mass and shoot to stop. So can be a non lethal shot or a lethal shot depending where the round ends up.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

so you're calling the jurors racist?

The police, the prosecution service, the judge, and the jurors. Every part of the whole damn system.

Stephen Lawrence was buried in Jamaica because his mum didn't want him to be buried in this racist land. And Mark Duggan's murder and its aftermath show that nothing's changed.

 

[Spymaster]

Mark was shot whilst he was on his knees, with his hands behind his head.

 

[xes]

i don't think it deflected from the taxi and hit the shooter, it hit his colleague
was it accepted that he was shot on his knees?

In one of the links posted earlier, it said that's what they said in court. (refering to him being on his knees, not the deflected bullet)

 

[Spymaster]

The police, the prosecution service, the judge, and the jurors. Every part of the whole damn system.

Stephen Lawrence was buried in Jamaica because his mum didn't want him to be buried in this racist land. And Mark Duggan's murder and its aftermath show that nothing's changed.

Way OTT.

 

[Pickman's model]

The police, the prosecution service, the judge, and the jurors. Every part of the whole damn system.

Stephen Lawrence was buried in Jamaica because his mum didn't want him to be buried in this racist land. And Mark Duggan's murder and its aftermath show that nothing's changed.

but it was more than that, you said that racism was prevasive throughout the uk at all levels, which sounds to me like saying racism pervades society within and without the state: racism pervasive both socially and geographically.

 

[plurker]

Can anyone point me to the Met's Rules of Engagement for Firearms units?
I've found this ACPO PDF http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/uniformed/2011/201111MCDofAO3.pdf (pp34/5) but am interested in more detailed info.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Way OTT.

It's not just black people they target, tbf. They treat traveller-types of all races in much the same way.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can anyone point me to the Met's Rules of Engagement for Firearms units?
I've found this ACPO PDF (pp34/5) but am interested in more detailed info.

that link produces a 404

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Way OTT.

Was Doreen Lawrence OTT too?

 

[xes]

This came from here, which was posted earlier in the thread.....

I am so upset right now. I am not even angry, I’m distraught. I sat there in the court expecting them to just say that Mark Duggan killed himself or something. The family members were already crying. Their opening question said that there was not sufficient evidence the night before that he had gone to get a gun. This made everyone in the court cheer and set us up for hope. The second to last question was, ‘Did Mark Duggan have a gun in his hand when he was shot?’ and they said no. The final question was, ‘Was it a lawful or unlawful killing?’. I still cannot believe this. A man with no gun was executed. He was on his knees and had his hands behind his head. This is legal.

http://awatewillmakeyourlifebetter.com/blog/mark-duggan-police-being-black

Kind of presumed that this was the case, based on that.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not just black people they target, tbf. They treat traveller-types of all races in much the same way.

oh! you don't mean racism pervades society at all levels, you mean racism pervades WHITE society at all levels.

 

[brogdale]

Just luck taught to aim center of body mass and shoot to stop. So can be a non lethal shot or a lethal shot depending where the round ends up.

Does anyone know if the Rigby killers were shot with hollow-point rounds as well?