Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Complete entire.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Going to be a long night.
CRI
Registered Chooser
Saw this pdf http://t.co/YuVwDfXBWM earlier on the movements of the minicab and the shoebox that supposedly contained the gun. Mark Duggan's DNA & prints found on the box, though not on sock or gun he supposedly took out of the box and hurled 20 feet over a fence to where it was found. IPCC were unaware that the box existed for a week. It was then found in the boot of the car, though the report describes it being found in the rear seat foot well. So, either some dipshit didn't think it important so flung it into the boot when it was initially found. Or, it was in the boot the whole time, where it would have been physically impossible for the back seat passenger to reach it. Either way, alot of shady shit. Too late to read all those docs. Can someone with more coffee report back tomorrow? Cheers.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Numerous examples above.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Enumerate them. Be specific, both in your vague claim and how what you are quoting in the post supports your claim.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Yes, there's been so much (deliberate?) information/misinformation doing the rounds, that the waters are by now truly muddied. As they were intended to be, presumably? The only way I can understand the jury's verdicts as being internally consistent, is for them to be suggesting that he did have a gun (one police witness's evidence stated Duggan pointed a gun at him - this may well have been what witness B saw as a Blackberry), and that Duggan threw it away after being shot twice... but IIRC a pathologist stated that given his injuries, that would have been highly unlikely (sorry, can't find quote right now). And if he had thrown it away before being shot, then it couldn't be a lawful killing surely. And all that only works if one accepts that he did have a gun, and that it wasn't planted
At any rate, the idea that Duggan fired first at police must surely now be seen as misinformation...if there were two shots (page 1) heard by witness B, and Duggan was hit twice (chest and arm), then he cannot have fired.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Can anyone read this handwriting ? Something like: "Just found a gun and / think it's Duggan's gun. / shot one at 19 [CO19] / officer's by accident./ by another 19 officer. Apparently MD came towards officer's firing" ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep, the clown shooting each other noted - what word with a double gg after 'it's'? gen question - what possible words could there be?
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Duggan's
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
That's how I read it.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
it certainly looks like a deliberate execution. That would make it a deliberately arranged execution in advance .
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bingo. So a half arsed just found a gun thing AND some other blokes shot each other as well. I suppose.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's after apparently?
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
[page 2] 'Very / loud shots, - saw him fall. / "What's going on -he gets out of / car / Put it down' [page 3] '...then fire, 2 shots / then phone went flying' - this witness seems very certain it was a Blackberry. Were there any shots before the 2?
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Apparently MD came towards officers firing
MD came towards officers firing.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
one of the things thats struck me as quite odd is that the filth are claiming they tailed MD to where he was given a gun by someone, yet Ive seen no mention of anyone being done for supplying him with one . Maybe ive missed the details on that but i just havent seen it . One would think if he was under close surveillance theyd have nicked the supplier too .
which raises a few very dodgy scenarios
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
The supplier of the gun was jailed, in a separate trial.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
thanks for that, never saw it
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Personally I'm more inclined to see it as cock-up and cover-up...cock-up in the sense of a panic reaction, shooting someone 'armed' with a Blackberry. Then the cover-up. The fact of one CO19 officer shooting another one... might this support a panic/shambles interpretation? Wasn't the de Menezes shooting another such cock-up?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
shooting each other might have been a cock up..but the extreme eagerness to open up in the first place , which led to them accidentally shooting each other, equally points to a determination to kill Duggan no matter what .
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Could the family try a private prosecution for manslaughter?
Does that ever happen with police shootings?
Although the inquest verdict wouldn't help.
Does that ever happen with police shootings?
Although the inquest verdict wouldn't help.
Anonymous1
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The shit regarding the gun/box/sock combo in the back seat/boot:
With him apparently followed while under surveillance and also inline with the taxi driver's testimony, did it ever come up that MD accessed the boot at any time? I'm guessing not and that's why after it's been found in the boot they just remember "ah, it was originally in the back"
They executed the man then instantly started on character assassination by media. Any other verdict would've been a real shock after the
one of europe's 48 most violent criminals and the rest of the shit they fired about.
With him apparently followed while under surveillance and also inline with the taxi driver's testimony, did it ever come up that MD accessed the boot at any time? I'm guessing not and that's why after it's been found in the boot they just remember "ah, it was originally in the back"
They executed the man then instantly started on character assassination by media. Any other verdict would've been a real shock after the
one of europe's 48 most violent criminals and the rest of the shit they fired about.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What is this boot stuff? Of a taxi he randomly caught. Who is saying stuff about the boot?
Anonymous1
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Yes, of the random taxi. I know it's a weird one, that's why i'm saying.
I read somewhere on this thread, i'm sure, about the shoe-box with MD's prints apparantly being found in the boot well after the events unfolded.
If that is true then surely there would be surveillance footage of MD placing it there or atleast the taxi-driver's statement.
Not once -and granted i haven't followed it very closely- did i hear of anything of the sort, hence the question.
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