Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[Corax]

link, bruv?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=twitter+#duggan

 

[thriller]

Cap.

It's "pop a cap."

Nobody says "pop a lead."

Twit.

 

[xes]

condoning gun possession, hey. let's hope someone pops a lead in yo ass.

let's hope the next time you carry a table leg, or a bit of pipe, that the police think you have a gun and open fire.

 

[Ax^]

condoning gun possession, hey. let's hope someone pops a lead in yo ass.

lets look at say surveys of the police themselves, most don't want to be armed themselves as they see it as a call to arms for most criminals..

this case really does not help the cause

 

[Orang Utan]

yes, becasue its a jury verdict - i can only guess they felt intimidated by the power and presence of police and their testimony to go along with it in some way, despite the facts against. It must take a certain amount of balls to vote in a jury against the police, particularly so if you have lived a life in which your conception of policing is broadly positive.

Jurys often got against the state in activist cases though

I doubt they were intimidated. They just believed the police. The police are supposed to be trustworthy and most people still think they are

 

[twentythreedom]

condoning gun possession, hey. let's hope someone pops a lead in yo ass.

So, you like being a dick annoying people etc. The internet is full of people like you. But could you not at least try to be a bit funny, or even just vaguely interesting?

Worst troll ever

 

[ska invita]

I doubt they were intimidated. They just believed the police. The police are supposed to be trustworthy and most people still think they are

we agree: i mean intimidation in a subtle way, through uniform, respectability, all that stuff. Ive sat on a jury - its not a neutral space

 

[ddraig]

http://www.inquest.org.uk/media/pr/...ncludes-he-did-not-have-a-gun-in-his-hand-whe
my bold

Marcia Willis Stewart, solicitor for the Duggan family said:

“The jury has found that Mark Duggan was unarmed at the point at which he was shot.

“The jury’s finding demonstrates that the officer lied about this. We cannot countenance a situation in which an unarmed citizen is shot on sight.

“Whilst the law provides a defence for an officer to hold an honest and reasonable belief for the purposes of lawful killing, that is not this case. The officer always maintained that he was sure that Mark Duggan had a gun-shaped item in a sock.

“The jury found that there were failings in the way the police conducted the gathering and actioning of evidence. Had they done their job properly this fatal shooting could have been avoided.

“The family will, however, continue the fight for accountability. They will be seeking an urgent meeting with Rachel Cerfontyne of the IPCC, their MP David Lammy, and Keith Vaz MP, in order to ensure the IPCC, who have to date failed in their responsibility with regards to this investigation, carry a vigorous review.

“The family’s lawyers will be considering the legal position.”

 

[8ball]

Meh. Don't get one iota of sympathy from me. fucking gangsta. carrying a gun. you should expect a bullet from the bill.

Assuming of course that he was a gangster (alleged) and carrying a gun (alleged). Not like the filth to lie...

I doubt he was any kind of saint but I've not heard any evidence yet of him being guilty of anything we currently have capital punishment for.

 

[8ball]

The jury may have got it wrong, but at least their opinion is based on weeks of evidence and lengthy consideration over Christmas.

It's a valid point that we'll never see the information they were given, not how it was presented. I think if you were not in the courtroom then blaming them is a bit off.

 

[brogdale]

It's a valid point that we'll never see the information they were given, not how it was presented. I think if you were not in the courtroom then blaming them is a bit off.

Especially the "2"; they must be pretty strong-willed to hold out against the majority.

 

[elbows]

I doubt they were intimidated. They just believed the police. The police are supposed to be trustworthy and most people still think they are

Just picking one poll at random, those who hear a police officer speak on the street or on tv and think they are likely (to at least some extent) to be telling the truth is far above 50%. But on the question of whether the police generally seem to try to cover up wrongdoing by those in its ranks, 40% lean in that direction.

http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1021/bbc-news-public-trust-in-the-police.htm

Given that I am also somewhat cynical about whether such polls really receive honest answers from the full cross-section of society, I'd say that the claim that 'most people still think they are trustworthy' is too strong.

 

[ska invita]

"Neither the gun nor the sock had any DNA or fingerprints from Duggan on it. " http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/08/mark-duggan-lawfully-killed-inquest
didnt hear that on the news

 

[Libertad]

Was the gun in the sock the same gun that Mark Duggan took possession of?
Why did V53 of CO19 have to kill Duggan rather than arrest him?

Perhaps this may be the reason:

Ashley Underwood QC reports that anonymous note claiming that Duggan was set up was sent to Duggan family and Metropolitan Police Commissioner

The Independent newspaper has reported that on Tuesday the 17th September, Ashley Underwood QC, counsel to the inquest, told the jury that the an anonymous note that was sent last year to a number of people including Mr Duggan’s family and the Metropolitan Police Commissioner.

In the note it is claimed that a police informant had told his handler that he could persuade Mr Duggan to pick up the gun, allowing officers to arrest him.

Mr Underwood said: “The letter goes on to say that [arrest] was bound to lead to Mr Duggan being shot dead because the letter suggests that anything less than that would have led to the informant being exposed.”

 

[butchersapron]

The bloke behind this suggestion got sent down iirc

edit: for being one of the people who provided the gun.

 

[leanderman]

It's turning into a JFK-style conspiracy theory fest.

Much more likely that the police screwed up and then tried to cover their tracks.

Which is what happens with doctors, politicians and no doubt other occupations

 

[butchersapron]

It's turning into a JFK-style conspiracy theory fest.

Much more likely that the police screwed up and then tried to cover their tracks.

Which is what happens with doctors, politicians and no doubt other occupations

Is it? Where are these JFK style conspiracies? And what are they?

Oddly enough the conspiracy most favoured is what you suggest - but, no there must be some long haired weirdos saying something else. You make me sick.

 

[Libertad]

The bloke behind this suggestion got sent down iirc

edit: for being one of the people who provided the gun.

Could you scratch up a link for that?

 

[BlackArab]

Not seen the news all day and just read about this. Knew this would happen. Can't post much on this as I'd probably be arrested if I voiced what I'm really feeling, just too emotional right now.

 

[ska invita]

edit - ill wait for the link

 

[butchersapron]

Could you scratch up a link for that?

I cannot. Not tonight. Will in morning. There's some mad grassy stuff going on if you follow this through.

 

[butchersapron]

The QC got sent down for providing the gun?

No, the person sent down for providing the gun, Kevin Hutchinson-Foster and mates were behind the gun and the letter and other grass stuff.

 

[frogwoman]

Fucking disgusted, what a disgrace

 

[Libertad]

This whole Wordpress piece addresses the background, the shooting and the collection and dissemination of the evidence as provided by the IPCC to the inquest.
Interesting and detailed reading, though protracted, for anyone interested in Mark Duggan's death.

http://inquestintodeathofmarkduggan.wordpress.com/

 

[frogwoman]

Fucking bastards good luck to anyone protesting

 

[Libertad]

I cannot. Not tonight. Will in morning. There's some mad grassy stuff going on if you follow this through.

Thanks. I'll pick it up tomorrow.

 

[frogwoman]

Not seen the news all day and just read about this. Knew this would happen. Can't post much on this as I'd probably be arrested if I voiced what I'm really feeling, just too emotional right now.

Me too I've been keeping thoughts off fb for that reason, keep safe mate

 

[leanderman]

Is it? Where are these JFK style conspiracies? And what are they?

Oddly enough the conspiracy most favoured is what you suggest - but, no there must be some long haired weirdos saying something else. You make me sick.

I was thinking more of the idea that there was no gun, that a gun mysteriously appeared, that Duggan was not gangster, that it was even, in some way, a police set-up

 

[DotCommunist]

the pattern of lies, obfuscations press smears, so on, mirror the menezes case and tomlinson and here we go again. They just keep doing it.

 

[butchersapron]

I was thinking more of the idea that there was no gun, that a gun mysteriously appeared, that Duggan was not gangster, that it was even, in some way, a police set-up

Which part and whose argued it? Be specific in your accusations.