Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[brogdale]

(Sir?) David Lammy, .... said.....The issues have been thoroughly discussed and debated, and the jury’s findings should be respected.”

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's wet and cold, there wont be any backlash to the verdict. they only riot when the weather's good.

Cunt off, you shit-eating arse-monkey.

 

[ViolentPanda]

(Sir?) David Lammy, .... said.....The issues have been thoroughly discussed and debated, and the jury’s findings should be respected.”

David Lammy can bite my chunky arse.

 

[thriller]

hmm. interesting comments. Wonder if he will be challenged in the next election by Duggan supporters.

 

[Pickman's model]

wetting yourself again , people died in those riots,

you've gone very quiet. are you going to explain yourself?

 

[DotCommunist]

He must have, even though no-one saw him do it, and to be fair it';d have needed to be more than a "toss", he'd have to have hurled the fucker.

and as everyone knows, throwing drilled starter pistols is really conducive to health. So is trying to shoot one. Saturday night special dredged up from the last gun amnesty and planted? I recon so. No evidence of course. But it seems likely

 

[ViolentPanda]

Which raises the question of why they chose to have an armed confrontation on a busy London Street .

I gave this one some thought, and what occurred to me was "chaff".
Weirdly enough, human memory is such that the more people that see an event, the more confusion gets introduced into evidence, both because because memory is contextual (as is recall), and some people (most, really) will unconsciously confabulate what they saw with what they wanted to see, or what they think they should have seen. So the more witnesses with partial stories, the more "chaff" gets introduced, and the more doubt that can be introduced as to the veracity of the accusatory narrative. The Old Bill know this, too. They train their interviewers/interrogators specifically in order to minimise "chaff", but obviously in this case, and in a coroner's court, it's worked very much in their favour.

Hope that makes sense!

 

[ddraig]

weren't the jury 'happy' that it was an ok location to do it?
i may well have got that wrong

 

[ska invita]

He must have, even though no-one saw him do it, and to be fair it';d have needed to be more than a "toss", he'd have to have hurled the fucker.

in the official, jury-agreed version, just when was he meant to have hurled this gun? it must have been after he got out the car which was surrounded by police. was it still in the sock when supposedly thrown? i cant make any sense of the order of what really happened or was supposed to have happened here

 

[laptop]

David Lammy can bite my chunky arse.

He has to say that, unless he's going to call for courts of the people's soviets. Trs: "Bloody hell. It's the rule of law, I suppose."

That said, my dealings with Lammy suggest that:

1. someone wrote it for him; and
2. that someone was behind him with a sharp stick to make sure he didn't go off piste, which he almost always does.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

and as everyone knows, throwing drilled starter pistols is really conducive to health. So is trying to shoot one. Saturday night special dredged up from the last gun amnesty and planted? I recon so. No evidence of course. But it seems likely

No one will ever know the truth apart from the filth what done it, and they know better than to cough.

From all I have read it seems like senior OB convinced themselves for whatever reason that Duggan was on a mission, wound up the foot soldiers who went well OTT. And the usual cover-up followed. Whether Duggan had a gun that was subsequently planted or another gun was planted it does seem quite clear that a gun was planted to cover up the actions of a trigger-happy wanker who was wound up by his superiors in to thinking that now is the time to live out his blood-lust.

Who knows?

ACAB

 

[Belushi]

I hear Tottenham is beginning to get 'lively'.....

It's a normal night at the Hale, don't know what the atmosphere is like over towards the High Road.

 

[brogdale]

He has to say that, unless he's going to call for courts of the people's soviets. Trs: "Bloody hell. It's the rule of law, I suppose."

That said, my dealings with Lammy suggest that:

1. someone wrote it for him; and
2. that someone was behind him with a sharp stick to make sure he didn't go off piste, which he almost always does.

I disagree that he had to say that.

When the separate findings of the jury are so contradictory and the verdict nonsensical, it should have been possible for him to express something other than respect for the finding.

 

[leanderman]

Eric bogle, no?

apparently so and covered by Bragg, I think.

Interestingly, the song does not take sides, according to Wiki

 

[Belushi]

(Sir?) David Lammy, .... said.....The issues have been thoroughly discussed and debated, and the jury’s findings should be respected.”

Bernie must be turning in his grave.

 

[laptop]

When the seperate findings of the jury are so contradictory and the verdict nonsensical, it should have been possible for him to express something other than respect for the finding.

I'm not defending him. If I said more about my asessement of him I'd risk being unfair to short planks.

But the person who wrote it isn't that thick. The words he issues didn't say he respected the findings. They said they should be respected.

Were they briefed by the Yard?

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

I saw Lammy on C4 News saying that it was an unusual verdict, that the community have seen four unlawful killings in four decades, two riots in a generations and that the family are reporting police harassment not dissimilar to that which the Lawrence family suffered.
He fell short of contesting the jury's verdict but he seemed quite mindful of the implications of it.

 

[thriller]

were the jury all white? if not, people should stfu

 

[leanderman]

Sounds like a cock-up and cover-up to me.

 

[DotCommunist]

or you could stop desperately seeking a rise eh

 

[sim667]

were the jury all white? if not, people should stfu

Did the jury lend 100% of their vote to each point they produced they voted on.

And if you can't be bothered to quickly google it, yes 1, that police did not act to the best level that the intelligence had provided.

 

[ViolentPanda]

in the official, jury-agreed version, just when was he meant to have hurled this gun? it must have been after he got out the car which was surrounded by police. was it still in the sock when supposedly thrown? i cant make any sense of the order of what really happened or was supposed to have happened here

Well that's my point - no fucker saw Duggan throw the gun or a sock or anything at all.

 

[ddraig]

were the jury all white? if not, people should stfu

you are SUCH a DICK it is UNTRUE
grow the FUCK up

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sounds like a cock-up and cover-up to me.

I don't see how we can tell, tbh. It was a cover-up, and the fitting up of the victim. But I don't see how we can tell why they killed him - the fog of their lies is too dense.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bernie must be turning over in his grave.

Grant would have been out of the court and haranguing the OB while still appealing for calm. All Lammy is good for is trotting out homilies.

 

[thriller]

you are SUCH a DICK it is UNTRUE
grow the FUCK up

Meh. Don't get one iota of sympathy from me. fucking gangsta. carrying a gun. you should expect a bullet from the bill.

 

[ViolentPanda]

you are SUCH a DICK it is UNTRUE
grow the FUCK up

He's already as mature as he'll ever be.

 

[ska invita]

Well that's my point - no fucker saw Duggan throw the gun or a sock or anything at all.

i can just about get my head around how the jury found killercop to have imagined the gun (despite his lengthy and detailed evidence in which he said there defintiley was a gun in his hand, and its precise movements), and can see why they might have thought the gun was chucked, what with it being a chuck-away from the car, but ffs, there is no imaginable chain of events that could transpire the would allow him out of the cop-surrounded taxi, chuck the gun unseen and then face off to the killercop to get shot. stinks like utter bullshit. all thats missing is the cops testifying they let him go and make a cup of tea in amongst it all.

 

[brogdale]

I'm not defending him. If I said more about my asessement of him I'd risk being unfair to short planks.

But the person who wrote it isn't that thick. The words he issues didn't say he respected the findings. They said they should be respected.

Were they briefed by the Yard?

Hmmm....what, in that others should respect the jury's findings? Leaving a scintilla of an impression that the Lammy might not, personally, respect them, but the yoot better behave themselves?

What a cunt.

 

[telbert]

Meh. Don't get one iota of sympathy from me. fucking gangsta. carrying a gun. you should expect a bullet from the bill.

Well Done.
Fuck Off.
Cunt.