butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He wasn't just going around doing a normal job of work. What benefit us to pretend he was?
Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I don't understand the verdict either. That is, I don't understand the legal basis for declaring such a death lawful. The implication I understand perfectly; police killing young black men is perfectly acceptable.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
none-if he was going to take some revenge for his murdered cousin then woop do. He wasn't armed. Thats 'his business' btw. The fact that they decided he was armed and acted accordingly is the issue
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Disagree. The facts are clear enough. This was an execution of an unarmed man, pure and simple.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what's your point, caller?
Fez909
toilet expert
Exactly. I doubt very much Duggan was a saint, but that doesn't give the police the right to kill him.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
What? You mean Duggan's family & freinds? Yeah, what right have they to show some emotion? FS
Corax
Luke 5:16
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you see it coming and always hope you're wrong.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I think what Mensch meant to say was, 'don't be black, it's just asking for trouble'.
ffsear
Well-Known Member
I said the public didn't i ??
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's you looking at only one side - i can see why you might right now, why you might ignore/cover up but if you want to get beyond this shit? There are real things here - let's look at then honestly - that's the only way we can judge how they effect us.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
This number sums up how I feel at the moment:
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I agree, I was just musing as to why the police risked a shoot out on a London Street if they believe what they claimed.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Note that the a lot of the latter part of the "speech" was beeped out by C4....
Limerick Red
Мы вас похороним!
is there a demo planned or happening this evening???
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Follow the copter.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
These political agitators holding the police to ransom are?
This is the part that doesn't sit well with me right now. What the police did was wrong, it was no way lawful and they murdered him. However there doesn't seem to be much dialogue on the wider context and the fact that he was part of a gang that instead of building their community was out and about fucking it up. The same community that is now standing shoulder to shoulder with his family.
No one seems to be asking how Mark Duggan came to be sitting in a taxi with a gun at his feet in the first place. Nobody seems to want to have a conversation about why our young people end up joining gangs and become involved in violent crime.
It feels awfully convenient that the story starts with him picking up the gun and not years before with him growing up in poverty in a racist society.
In 2011 hundreds of youth workers worked really hard to keep the kids in our communities away from the trouble, with mixed results (one of my young people was 13 at the time and is still on a community order) the Con-dems have decimated the Youth Service and that person-power is no longer there. If it kicks off again there will be no play schemes keeping the kids inside, no detached workers to go out talk to them and very few mentors to listen to them.
The right wing press are going to find it so easy to push the argument ''He was a gangster'' and there by implying he deserved what he got, but how many more Mark Duggan's have we got to come? and now the police will know they can get away with shooting them.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Guardian readers being blagged as per.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
£185,000 per year he gets paid for selling shit - whether its cuts to his own troops or retroactively approved execution warrants to the great unwashed.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
This case is only really in the spotlight because of the riots. elsewise, it might be of interest here but to MSM it's just another dead black guy and some dubious plod to gloss over
And the riots weren't sparked because of suspicion about the events per se, but because the police did shit family liason.
The known facts of the case seem grey and quite possibly clouded by possible criminality of the victim and the police (who, as a body, are known to lie / cover up in such cases)
What I'm getting at is that some people may want to think the absolute worst of plod to make a point, that it may well not be the case. It could, for example, have been cock-up followed by cover up.
Blaming the jury is tricky because they can only consider evidence, much will have come from plod and be cross co-oberating. They have a record of lying, but on the other hand it may not be reasonable to assume that all of them are lying in concert about just about everything.
I haven't followed the case enough to know the likely roots / basis of the verdict or to guesstimate the truth of those roots, but it's good to see that people aren't being hatefully abused here just for theorising about some sort of plod conspiracy.
And the riots weren't sparked because of suspicion about the events per se, but because the police did shit family liason.
The known facts of the case seem grey and quite possibly clouded by possible criminality of the victim and the police (who, as a body, are known to lie / cover up in such cases)
What I'm getting at is that some people may want to think the absolute worst of plod to make a point, that it may well not be the case. It could, for example, have been cock-up followed by cover up.
Blaming the jury is tricky because they can only consider evidence, much will have come from plod and be cross co-oberating. They have a record of lying, but on the other hand it may not be reasonable to assume that all of them are lying in concert about just about everything.
I haven't followed the case enough to know the likely roots / basis of the verdict or to guesstimate the truth of those roots, but it's good to see that people aren't being hatefully abused here just for theorising about some sort of plod conspiracy.
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Is this anger going to translate to action by youth on the streets?
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