Ranu
Poster of the Weak
Looks pretty black to meMatthew Amroliwala ain't got a black tie on. There'll be letters
Maggie's Died!
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Schmetterling
I saw something nasty in the woodshed!
*moves from side to side while humming Wacht auf Verdammte dieser Erde*
I will be having beers tonight!
I will be having beers tonight!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No it's not. Don't then. Perfectly acceptable to tie her death and happiness at it to the fight against her legacy - in fact, it makes no sense not to. Next.
TruXta
tired
It is? Bet you a lotta lotta people rejoiced when Hitler died. And rightly so. See also Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Jung, Idi Amin etc etc.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
The top tories are going to feast on her internal organs while they are still fresh. Very cannibalistic, the tories.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Milliband respects her courageous reshaping of British politics.
Ed Miliband, the little boy who broke his father's heart.
(Miliband, Ralph, 2013, I Have No Son, Oxford University Press)
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
A small confession : I said I wouldn't celebrate till her deluded and toxic creed was dead, but I must say I do feel more relieved than I might have anticipated.
I have absented myself from media all night though, and for all I know that could send me into fury - reactionary revisionism is likely.
Also anticipate staged outrage against those who maybe a bit OTT in the celebration. Remember, this outrage is from people who use the deaths of dead children to attack benefit claimants, who call disabled people liars etc. The dead tree press of this nation are it's biggest bullies by far.
Couple of separate things:
Did anyone here read a small, slightly obscure book by Robin Ramsay called "The Rise Of New Labour"? It made a good case that it was Heath who ruined the economy in the 70s to get us into the EEC, but Labour got landed with the blame and Thatcher got in on that myth. Thoughts on the theory?
Another semi-random: Does a claim that every PM since has been envageld in more war stand up? (counting that Brave Gordon managed to sit on his hands and sign warcrime cheques at the same time?) What does this say about male "leaders" if so?
Another : I always thought a huge marker of her personal moral failure was that her repulsive criminal son chose, with all options at his disposal, to make money in surely the most evil trade on this ball of rock. The daugher seemed much more of a rounded human. LaThatch seems to have loved the former a great deal more.
Finally for now : Barnados had a survey out (quoted in ITV's Breadline Britain not long back) regarding attitudes to poverty.
30 years ago, a Christmas present, birthday present and a 1 week annual holiday away were considered "neccessities" by most. They are now considered "luxuries"
Thatcher's creed claimed, if nothing else, to be about providing more stuff to more people. Even with overall growth and huge leaps forward in technology, that creed is a proven failure in it's own terms and at the most basic level.
But people still believe. And this is where I think much of the anger comes from : Anger is often borne of impotance. Thatcher may be have been economically and ethically wrong, but she was popular. People are running around tonight paying tribute to a woman who did so much to stand by a man who had opponents raped with dogs. Their observations are redundant. I don't know why anyone takes them seriously beyond their own arrogant selves, but I think her supporters aknowledged and the opposition more than the other way round, and delighted in it.
The ugly truth / bottom line for me though is that both Thatcherism and it's opponents are monumental failures : The one in it's own terms, the other in it's failure to stop it.
I have absented myself from media all night though, and for all I know that could send me into fury - reactionary revisionism is likely.
Also anticipate staged outrage against those who maybe a bit OTT in the celebration. Remember, this outrage is from people who use the deaths of dead children to attack benefit claimants, who call disabled people liars etc. The dead tree press of this nation are it's biggest bullies by far.
Couple of separate things:
Did anyone here read a small, slightly obscure book by Robin Ramsay called "The Rise Of New Labour"? It made a good case that it was Heath who ruined the economy in the 70s to get us into the EEC, but Labour got landed with the blame and Thatcher got in on that myth. Thoughts on the theory?
Another semi-random: Does a claim that every PM since has been envageld in more war stand up? (counting that Brave Gordon managed to sit on his hands and sign warcrime cheques at the same time?) What does this say about male "leaders" if so?
Another : I always thought a huge marker of her personal moral failure was that her repulsive criminal son chose, with all options at his disposal, to make money in surely the most evil trade on this ball of rock. The daugher seemed much more of a rounded human. LaThatch seems to have loved the former a great deal more.
Finally for now : Barnados had a survey out (quoted in ITV's Breadline Britain not long back) regarding attitudes to poverty.
30 years ago, a Christmas present, birthday present and a 1 week annual holiday away were considered "neccessities" by most. They are now considered "luxuries"
Thatcher's creed claimed, if nothing else, to be about providing more stuff to more people. Even with overall growth and huge leaps forward in technology, that creed is a proven failure in it's own terms and at the most basic level.
But people still believe. And this is where I think much of the anger comes from : Anger is often borne of impotance. Thatcher may be have been economically and ethically wrong, but she was popular. People are running around tonight paying tribute to a woman who did so much to stand by a man who had opponents raped with dogs. Their observations are redundant. I don't know why anyone takes them seriously beyond their own arrogant selves, but I think her supporters aknowledged and the opposition more than the other way round, and delighted in it.
The ugly truth / bottom line for me though is that both Thatcherism and it's opponents are monumental failures : The one in it's own terms, the other in it's failure to stop it.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Mick Philpott - a lying moneygrabber who would do anything to suit himself. Is there a truer symbol of Thatcher's legacy?
The disgusting son of MHT - Is there any legal cause for him to be arrested if he returns for the funeral - tax dodging, arms sanctions, illegal coup stuff etc?
serious question.
The disgusting son of MHT - Is there any legal cause for him to be arrested if he returns for the funeral - tax dodging, arms sanctions, illegal coup stuff etc?
serious question.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
One thing: now that Thatcher is dead, will U75 go belly up?
I mean, what is left to talk about?
I mean, what is left to talk about?
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I don't know what that is.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
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Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
They look blissed. 
Cameron and the ConDems.
Only this morning it's been announced that prisoners are losing legal aid. Today and the rest of this week we party, but the fight goes on to get this country back.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Can't afford justice in the modern successful economy she created can we? Sounds like communism.
Let them (if you mean Cameron and Thatcher), they may well have all of the afterlife to reap as they've sown.They look blissed.
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