Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins
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lefteri
Well-Known Member
The people on my estate are not at all happy about the no entries - they see it as an attempt to further ghettoise the area which includes the large council estates (loughborough and myatts field south) it certainly makes life difficult for car drivers and business owners within this area
critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
Don't tell me what I was saying or not saying... (putting words into my mouth eh Cheeky B&^&*£$@) The map speaks the truth, junction, crossing, road, whatever it was a Junction non the less.
And please don't go editing Wikipedias definition of a "JUNCTION"
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bimble
floofy
Hello. If you have time to express your concerns to the people who will decide whether or not to make this permanent.. you could use these addresses (if you haven't already, or if you feel like doing it again)
bpoulter@lambeth.gov.uk
RMistry@lambeth.gov.uk
JBrathwait@lambeth.gov.uk
lpeck@lambeth.gov.uk
GWright@lambeth.gov.uk
Steve@stockwell.org.uk
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
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I said
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I then demonstrated that my facts were indeed straight - it's called Loughborough Junction because of the railway junction.
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I then demonstrated that my facts were indeed straight - it's called Loughborough Junction because of the railway junction.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I understand that the proposals include opening one of the arches through from Rathgar Road so it may well be that the intention will be to direct deliveries that way. But, in the finest traditions of this thread everyone seems happy to leap to judgements based on speculation rather than reality.
Teuchter, I think your agenda is clear now: you want to ban cars/other motor vehicles from LJ (and possibly throughout the borough). You are likely to be in a tiny minority. I suspect most residents in this borough, including those of the 3000 who have already signed the petition online to end the closures would disagree. For many, particular those unable to cycle safely, or with families particularly those who are unable to walk far having a vehicle is essential: one only need look down at the parked cars/vans/minicabs along LR itself, and the myriad residential streets around LJ and HH to see this is the case. It would be great of course if the public transport system were sufficiently capable to transport everyone safely to their many destinations that obviously will never be the case. It is idealistic nonsense to think one can turn back the clock and close roads or that by doing that at LJ you will achieve the aim: the function of LJ is essentially a junction for traffic with adjacent residences, and businesse, and traffic flow before closures was just fine, now it is far worse and will continue to be so. You cannot wish away 10,000 vehicles that use the area.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Read the thread.
bimble
floofy
Not as yet personally. They must be frantically busy at it though, clipboards swarming all over the place given the timeframe that changed on them unexpectedly like that.
bimble
floofy
AlexH : I think when Mr T says 'read the thread' what he might mean is that to understand where he's coming from you should also study the theory of 'modal shift' by reading appetising stuff like this Principles of Modal Shift
As far as I understand him I think that's the way he is viewing this issue (not at all what I personally think this road closure is about but).
As far as I understand him I think that's the way he is viewing this issue (not at all what I personally think this road closure is about but).
concerned1
behind the small print
No rubbish trucks not exempt
Weight of traffic & pollution on CHL have been bad recently. Traffic lights have not been working properly. Road closures have occurred. Is it possible to be certain that it's all down to one rather than the other?
The other thing to consider is that it's not good practice to assess the impact of a change while people are still adjusting to the new regime. It's once everyone's settled into new routes that you can reasonably judge it.
By all means make your voice heard, but it'll be more effective if it looks like you've given it a fair crack of the whip rather than condemning it out of preconceived opinion.
bimble
floofy
When's a fair crack of the whip would you say?
It's my honest impression that my walks down to brixton have been significantly stinkier, to the point of it being really unpleasant which I don't remember it being before.
And yes I know, other factors have coincided but then they will won't they and continue to do do periodically.
It's my honest impression that my walks down to brixton have been significantly stinkier, to the point of it being really unpleasant which I don't remember it being before.
And yes I know, other factors have coincided but then they will won't they and continue to do do periodically.
concerned1
behind the small print
Nothing on Lambeth site for Loughborough Junction.
Probably not, but some people think that if the beatings continue, morale will eventually improve.
bimble
floofy
Its
a week now since Mr misty said that would be fixed, the details of the ongoing consultation added to the Lambeth site. I reminded him this morning , no answer as yet.
concerned1
behind the small print
It's been 7 weeks now, that is more than a crack of the whip to know it is NOT working, it is seriously affecting many peoples lives, it is not meant to make things worse for thousands and thousands but IMPROVE things. Well it has NOT. What more do Lambeth Council want? A death maybe even then they will polish it over to say "well that could have happened anyway"....... how dare powers that are meant to be SERVING the people are trying to kill them if not seriously disrupt their everyday lives every day! And all for what? A meaningful Town Centre? A space on a road? All that they have achieved is a nightmare for most people in the areas affected and further afield.
I don't mean to be an apologist for the closures, but let's be fair: the scheme hasn't really been operational for anything like 7 weeks. No judgement can be made while people were still driving through the closures, dumping rubbish/'art', doing u-turns and so on, as well as having other traffic aberrations masking the results.
I think we're getting to the end of the beginning (i.e. people are settling into their preferred alternatives) rather than the beginning of the end.
Having said that they may decide it isn't worth progressing with the experiment, but in that case it's really an unfinished experiment rather than one that failed.
I don't agree with your assertion that the council is implementing this scheme in order to kill people. It's annoying, yes, but murderous...?
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
let's not forget the Experiment was brought in on the back of a very dubious consultation
this thread has shown that there was a form of ballot stuffing by parties from outside the area
is it really surprising that local people have got the hump at being guinea pigs......
if someone was running a business struggling along on narrow margins then a six months experiment
might be enough to close them down or at least force them to chuck in the towel before they go bankrupt
considering the publicised intentions of the council, ljag and network rail this looks very convenient
not least because businesses closing before the threatened evictions ( as in the case of A&C deli) would avoid the expense of compensation packages......I wouldn't rate the chances of a mechanic whose unit is at the arse end of a 1/2 mile cul de sac and who's passing trade suddenly. vanished, I wonder if compensation will be paid to any business failures within a certain timespan of the closure period.....
this thread has shown that there was a form of ballot stuffing by parties from outside the area
is it really surprising that local people have got the hump at being guinea pigs......
if someone was running a business struggling along on narrow margins then a six months experiment
might be enough to close them down or at least force them to chuck in the towel before they go bankrupt
considering the publicised intentions of the council, ljag and network rail this looks very convenient
not least because businesses closing before the threatened evictions ( as in the case of A&C deli) would avoid the expense of compensation packages......I wouldn't rate the chances of a mechanic whose unit is at the arse end of a 1/2 mile cul de sac and who's passing trade suddenly. vanished, I wonder if compensation will be paid to any business failures within a certain timespan of the closure period.....
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
We on the thread did suggest earlier that there was an interaction between the traffic lights at the bottom of Herne Hill Road, the closure of Loughborough Road and traffic on Coldharbour Lane. And that it was difficult to discern what was precisely what.
However when you are dealing with road mending contractors who seem to be paid on the basis of how many days they can disrupt the road for traffic, and Lambeth bureaucrats who only implement decisions made by committee on the basis of flawed assumptions there seems little hope of arriving at a rational or scientific conclusion.
Especially when they don't talk to each other.
deadringer
meat pie sausage roll
Slightly off topic but when the Elephant and Castle works started it caused absolute havoc trying to get through it. Eventually through trail and error, trying new things and back routes I've managed to work out a great way around that I'll probably use forever as it's quicker than the route through it before it started. In fact I love it so much I do it by bicycle sometimes, and joke with my girlfriend that my back route has saved our relationship as I couldn't sit in those jams for much longer!
Point is eventually the traffic may well disperse and new routes will be found, possibly to the benefit of all
Point is eventually the traffic may well disperse and new routes will be found, possibly to the benefit of all
I wouldn't get too attached to your new route. If it gets too popular they'll probably close it to 'stop rat running' or 'reduce pollution'.
bimble
floofy
Some of it might do that (might happily find other routes that don't involve CHL) but surely most things that have to go from Camberwell to Brixton haven't got that much choice of scenic alternatives . I don't know. It's true that as a pedestrian I've started walking the long way when I can (barrington to brixton station road) to avoid the fumes along colhdharbour lane.
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critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
I said
to which you responded
I then demonstrated that my facts were indeed straight - it's called Loughborough Junction because of the railway junction.[/QUOTE]
Does the word Pedantic come to mind...
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critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
Let it bed in, then you'll see the real disaster....
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