Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[irf520]

I don't know what this obsession is with creating a faux 'village' atmosphere in places. If you want to live in a village, go and live in a village. Inner London is never going to resemble a village. And not everywhere can be a 'destination'. Some places are just places you go through to get somewhere else. That's just the way it is - it's an unavoidable fact of geometry.
Also if you have a big problem with traffic, London is not a place you're likely to be happy.
And who the hell thinks fluorescent pink is a good colour for anything?

 

[CH1]

And who the hell thinks fluorescent pink is a good colour for anything?

Could be quite good for attracting trade from Vauxhall?

 

[concerned1]

Awaiting a response, I can hear it from here over the car horns...

So that's what trolls look like aha

 

[concerned1]

As for the Pedestrian Zone created between Wyck Gardens and the Loughborough Farm (soon to possibly become an Industrial Estate and more than likely be called Pop Loughborough) what happens then to the "space" with lorries and all sorts of traffic driving across it daily to access the Industrial Estate??? We should really enjoy our cups of tea and coffee with them all roaring amongst us!!!

 

[teuchter]

I don't know what this obsession is with creating a faux 'village' atmosphere in places. If you want to live in a village, go and live in a village. Inner London is never going to resemble a village. And not everywhere can be a 'destination'. Some places are just places you go through to get somewhere else. That's just the way it is - it's an unavoidable fact of geometry.
Also if you have a big problem with traffic, London is not a place you're likely to be happy.

London is pretty much the only place in the UK where it's possible to live without a car and not have your freedom of movement substantially restricted. It's the place in the UK where there's least justification for "needing" to make car journeys. So it's the best place to start, if we want to show that we don't have to live in a car-dependant society.

London is a great place to live in lots of ways. But one of its least desirable features is the congestion and heavy motor traffic. So let's try and get rid of it. Not just accept it as an inevitable feature of living in a big city. It absolutely isn't. It is not an unavoidable fact of geometry that we have to have heavy motor traffic everywhere, it's a consequence of policies and decisions that we can change if we want to.

LJ does not have to be "just a place you go through to get somewhere else, and that's just the way it is". That must be one of the most backward, narrow-minded and idiotic statements on this thread, and that's saying something.

 

[concerned1]

I like fluorescent pink. But on a bridge and a cafe no on my nails yes

 

[CH1]

London is pretty much the only place in the UK where it's possible to live without a car and not have your freedom of movement substantially restricted.

True if you are lucky enough to have a freedom pass or similar benefit.

 

[concerned1]

LJ needs to be a place that the local community can utilise, shop at, not some "village" sit at roadside cafes eating and drinking oh and using ones ipads. It's a junction. A JUNCTION. Blocking a road and thinking people want to sit in the road drinking coffee is backward, narrow minded and idiotic.
The whole of London cannot be gentrifryed to look the same throughout. Yes I mean FRYED. The Spirit of places are being destroyed one by one turned into the abode of white middle class eateries and art galleries. Ask the real people in the area what they want.

 

[bimble]

And who the hell thinks fluorescent pink is a good colour for anything?

It's a good colour for something i'm sure but if I see anyone coming near the bridges with bright pink shiny PVC cladding I'll be chaining myself to the victorian ironwork.

 

[irf520]

As for the Pedestrian Zone created between Wyck Gardens and the Loughborough Farm (soon to possibly become an Industrial Estate and more than likely be called Pop Loughborough) what happens then to the "space" with lorries and all sorts of traffic driving across it daily to access the Industrial Estate??? We should really enjoy our cups of tea and coffee with them all roaring amongst us!!!

No, there won't be any lorries allowed. Lorries are nasty evil polluting things. Any goods deliveries will have to be made like this:

or maybe like this:

 

[teuchter]

LJ needs to be a place that the local community can utilise, shop at, not some "village" sit at roadside cafes eating and drinking oh and using ones ipads. It's a junction. A JUNCTION. Blocking a road and thinking people want to sit in the road drinking coffee is backward, narrow minded and idiotic.
The whole of London cannot be gentrifryed to look the same throughout. Yes I mean FRYED. The Spirit of places are being destroyed one by one turned into the abode of white middle class eateries and art galleries. Ask the real people in the area what they want.

FYI Loughborough Junction is called Loughborough Junction because of the railway junction, not the road junction.
Its significance on the railway network is as a junction.
Its history at street level is one of a local shopping centre - a destination if you like - not just a junction, which is what it has come to feel like.

 

[critical1]

No, there won't be any lorries allowed. Lorries are nasty evil polluting things. Any goods deliveries will have to be made like this:

or maybe like this:

Will they all be minimum wage??? How will they afford to live in London?

 

[teuchter]

True if you are lucky enough to have a freedom pass or similar benefit.

If you have a freedom pass in London you have massively more mobility than you would having a similar pass anywhere else in the UK.
If you don't, but still have to rely on public transport, you still have massively more mobility than you would anywhere else in the UK.

 

[critical1]

FYI Loughborough Junction is called Loughborough Junction because of the railway junction, not the road junction.
Its significance on the railway network is as a junction.
Its history at street level is one of a local shopping centre - a destination if you like - not just a junction, which is what it has come to feel like.

Loughborough Junction is ancient way before trains were there?? so please get your facts right.

 

[teuchter]

Show me a map or anything else with a reference to a place called "Loughborough Junction" pre-railways, then.

 

[Crispy]

Loughborough Junction is ancient way before trains were there??

No, it's not.

 

[critical1]

No, it's not.

Oh yes it is.... I will not get bogged down in semantics... Clearly a Junction is there.
http://loughborough-junction.org/
Loughborough Junction

John Rocque's map of 1745.


“The Architect” 7 September 1872

 

[SpamMisery]

Not sure that map or text helps your assertion tbh.

Wikipedia has this to say

The name "Loughborough Junction" relates to the railway junction immediately to the north of the station of the same name

....although teuchter probably wrote that article

 

[CH1]

Its history at street level is one of a local shopping centre - a destination if you like - not just a junction, which is what it has come to feel like.

Isn't this a view of the shops/dwellings which the more agrarian amongst us did not want reinstated?

 

[LadyV]

Show me a map or anything else with a reference to a place called "Loughborough Junction" pre-railways, then.

You're right, it became known as Loughborough Junction because of the railways but Loughborough Road and it's junction with Coldharbour Lane seems to have been there before the railways as was a little collection of properties

 

[LadyV]

Isn't this a view of the shops/dwellings which the more agrarian amongst us did not want reinstated?

It's where the new block of flats is going to be built and also Zest of India, estate agents, Station Road etc. Did some of us not want that to be reinstated? I know I've commented that I wouldn't mind the area by the entrance to the station opened up but as you and others have pointed out, that would cost a fortune in compulsory purchases so not feasible

 

[CH1]

It's where the new block of flats is going to be built and also Zest of India, estate agents, Station Road etc. Did some of us not want that to be reinstated? I know I've commented that I wouldn't mind the area by the entrance to the station opened up but as you and others have pointed out, that would cost a fortune in compulsory purchases so not feasible

That spot was being gardened very nicely by LJAG for a couple of years - but seems that it is a privately owned site (though I haven't checked on ownership or history of ownership - ironically now the Land Registry is computerised and cheaper to access, it no longer gives back history in the sense that "the deeds" did).

Had it turned out to be council land it could perhaps have been expanded to a bigger open space - but the same arguments apply as to outside the station.

 

[concerned1]

The way businesses are been destroyed by road closures there will soon be loads of space at Loughborough Junction for it's own square without needing Loughborough Road!

 

[teuchter]

Oh yes it is.... I will not get bogged down in semantics... Clearly a Junction is there.
Loughborough Junction

John Rocque's map of 1745.


“The Architect” 7 September 1872

You have simply proven yourself wrong. The map refers to no such place as "Loughborough Junction".
It wasn't even called "Loughborough Junction" when the first railway lines were built in the 1860s. As the article mentions the station was called "Loughborough Road" at that point.
The first appearance of the name "Loughborough Junction" is the renaming of the station in 1872, when platforms opened on the three diverging lines thus marking it as a junction station as far as rail passengers were concerned.

 

[teuchter]

You're right, it became known as Loughborough Junction because of the railways but Loughborough Road and it's junction with Coldharbour Lane seems to have been there before the railways as was a little collection of properties

One of any number of road junctions across london. critical1 was trying to dismiss the notion that LJ might host some local town-centre functions by saying that LJ's primary function is A JUNCTION (sic). It's no different to a zillion other road junctions in London. Brixton town centre is A JUNCTION. Stockwell centre is A JUNCTION. Herne Hill centre is A JUNCTION. LJ has no special JUNCTION status other than on the rail network.

 

[bimble]

I keep wanting to look at this one again..
The special Value In White Shirts shop must be the last shop before Rathgar Road arches - where touch of difference is now. Looks like a large bit of raised pavement there, with a dapper young man leaning against a giant bollard. I think that's the exact spot currently occupied by the digital £130 fine sign?

 

[AlexH]

As for the Pedestrian Zone created between Wyck Gardens and the Loughborough Farm (soon to possibly become an Industrial Estate and more than likely be called Pop Loughborough) what happens then to the "space" with lorries and all sorts of traffic driving across it daily to access the Industrial Estate??? We should really enjoy our cups of tea and coffee with them all roaring amongst us!!!

Exactly, how are these artisanal shops etc to be supplied without vehicular deliveries - loading bays - rubbish bins for shops etc?

 

[bimble]

rubbish bins for shops etc?

The rubbish thing is a mystery.. Are bin & recycling trucks allowed to go across the no entry signs at the moment?

 

[lefteri]

Exactly, how are these artisanal shops etc to be supplied without vehicular deliveries - loading bays - rubbish bins for shops etc?

horse and cart of course

 

[goldengraham]

Exactly, how are these artisanal shops etc to be supplied without vehicular deliveries - loading bays - rubbish bins for shops etc?

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