Drove the entire length of LR all the way from CHL to Jamm this morning on the way to work. It was like the return of an old friend
Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins
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Drove the entire length of LR all the way from CHL to Jamm this morning on the way to work. It was like the return of an old friend
SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Surely you've made a killing not having to light your own flat?!! Jeesh, some people are never happy
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Could be better used as car parks?
critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
Don't you mean a Multistorey Bike Park, those overcrowded monsters. That when when you get back, some antisocial cyclist has crammed their bike in where it doesn't belong and you have to fight to get yours out. Hate it!
bimble
floofy
Sorry that was probably me, with my big middle class wicker basket and everything.
critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
Sorry that was probably me, with my big middle class wicker basket and everything.
Yes I'm sure I saw you the other day, you looked a bit lost...
LadyV
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Well, see this is the thing, I did say that but I didn't feel all that kettled tbh but I think that was due to the crappy implementation. I used to live over in Peckham on a street that was blocked and you had to go completely round the houses to get anywhere if you weren't on foot and I thought it would be like that, which was a little like being in a locked room that you can't escape from, it was one of the reasons I moved. But in that instance the road was completely blocked, not left open for buses etc.
So no I didn't feel less kettled yesterday or this morning but interestingly I also haven't seen a massive rise in traffic yesterday or today down LR so maybe the closure did do some good and get people using methods of transport.
ChrisSouth
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Yes I'm sure I saw you the other day, you looked a bit lost...
I'd always thought Bimble was a boy.
critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
Feeling a bit grumpy here as the temporary lights at Ackerman Rd and Loughborough Rd are ABSOLUTELY FCUK amazing... They work like Penguins doing Swan Lake on drugs, totaly useless and uncoordinated. With h drivers and cyclists starting to ignore them.
Some idiot has also outside of Loughborough Primary school removed one a the children crossing signs by the Pelican crossing and twisted the other one so as to obscure it from the road!!! Who would do such a thing?
Some idiot has also outside of Loughborough Primary school removed one a the children crossing signs by the Pelican crossing and twisted the other one so as to obscure it from the road!!! Who would do such a thing?
critical1
All views expressed are definitely my own.
Angellic
Well-Known Member
I always thought Bimble was a little bit ambidextrous
A nimble Bimble.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I saw the same on LR to my surprise. So wonder if there has been an effect.
As for Peckham. I think I know where you mean there is complicated one way system. Been that way for a while. Well that is the other alternative to outright closure. It was an alternative put to me by Loughborough estate resident. Make some roads one way only. To reduce traffic on roads around the estate.
It also around Camberwell. With a van driver recently who tried to take shortcut to by pass the junction at Camberwell green and it didnt work out.
These are all ways to reduce/ discourage traffic to use side roads and keep them on the main roads. As I have said before any alteration to roads to discourage traffic will get opposition.
So my concern is that with this scheme being scrapped no alternative will be brought forward. The car user lobby is more influential than one might imagine.
Had my van driver friend now complaining about the cycle highways. His view is that private car drivers should no longer use central London as they clog up roads for people like him.
Cycle ways are being upgraded and motorised traffic is losing space in central London. ie new one upgraded in Bloomsbury now both ways for cyclists leaving one way street for traffic. Some Councils are doing more schemes than Lambeth. All reduces car motor traffic in areas. Which does make them less dominated by cars. Which is good imo. Make London more pleasant place to be. The one in Bloomsbury is mixture of shops/ private and social housing.
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Integrity always incurs a cost. That's one of the reasons so few people have it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It'll gradually return to previous levels I expect - will not be an immediate effect for the same reason that the traffic patterns took time to adjust when the closure went in.
LadyV
Well-Known Member
True true, would be nice if we could at least keep some of the reduction in traffic though
LadyV
Well-Known Member
I think looking at possibilities for one ways might be a good option and also a few more double yellows or CPZs on LR between Fiveways and Brixton Road. The CHL end of LR can cope with traffic but that section is a nightmare with the parked cars.
I work near Bloomsbury so I'm seeing those changes coming together, I think it's easier for Camden to get those through because although there are residential properties in the area, I would imagine car ownership levels are very low due to where they are. Plus add in the high numbers of students in the area means there are less people to consult.
Can I ask what your thoughts on the cycle super highways are? I was out with some friends last night who regularly cycle from Surrey into Central London and their comments were not that positive
teuchter
je suis teuchter
So you want to have your cake and eat it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What you are proposing is a measure to increase convenience to car drivers, and the traffic capacity of that section of road, and therefore increase the amount of traffic on LR. Is that what you want?
Or do you mean removing the parked cars and replacing them with dedicated cycle lanes, so that cyclists can benefit from being separated from the congestion caused by unecessary motor vehicle journeys?
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
The old ones are a mixture of OK and Shite.
I join CS7 at Oval and follow it all the way to the City. There's very little dedicated infrastructure, and some places where you'd never believe there was a dedicated cycle route at all. Some favourite
moments as captured on Google Streetview are:this pinch point ahead of Elephant, which is always full of traffic and cyclists trapped in narrow gaps
then, just after that, there's a bus stop which forces weaving of bikes and buses. There's room for an island bus stop here, which would be a great help.
this isolated row of 8 terraced houses in Zone 1 getting on-street parking instead of a cycle lane.
this very busy junction has effectively zero improvements for cyclists. all the cycle lanes disappear. This is a common fault with all the "on-road" superhighways. They're all subservient to motor vehicles. Cars need a turning lane! Better stop the cycle lane then. >_<
tourist coach parking is more important than the cycle lane
so is motorbike parking. the road is really wide just before here, and this could easily be moved. sail across the bridge in the segregated lane and then....
good luck lol (good news is this junction will be on the new E/W superhighway so will be massively improved soon)
The new Oval junction is an absolute marvel and the whole route should be like that.
The new E/W and N/S routes are going to be fantastic. Actual proper segregated cycle infrastructure in the heart of London. More please
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The main problem with the older ones is that they can give you a false sense of security, for teh reasons that Crispy describes. It would make more sense to reserve the blue-coloured lanes for proper continuous segregated routes that aren't suddenly going to throw you into a complicated junction, or disappear, or weave you with traffic lanes. And colour everything else green. Then people know what they're signing up for when they join a route.
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