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trashpony said:
I know they did when he was arrested but reading that sentence summary (I could only stomach the first page), I don't know how you get beyond that
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I also think of his bandmates too. I mean I can't imagine how it must feel to start a band with someone, a creative and fun endeavour, become close friends with that person, achieve great success with that person and share the mad rollercoaster that being famous entails and then to find out this. Not only that but to then face the inevitable accusations of 'you must've known' as well. I mean it's not like they can even play their music to their kids and future grand kids either because the whole thing is tainted now.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
I also think of his bandmates too. I mean I can't imagine how it must feel to start a band with someone, a creative and fun endeavour, become close friends with that person, achieve great success with that person and share the mad rollercoaster that being famous entails and then to find out this. Not only that but to then face the inevitable accusations of 'you must've known' as well. I mean it's not like they can even play their music to their kids and future grand kids either because the whole thing is tainted now.
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Yeah, the ricochets of a famous person in a band doing this probably go much further than any bog standard paedo.

We are going to get about 4 million articles by crass buggers in Take a Break now - The day the Ian Watkins came into my shop for Jelly Babies! etc
 
I'm a bit baffled by the ex who said she kept reporting him- apparently she kept seeing him too :confused: It's a mail story so I won't link
 
Manter said:
I'm a bit baffled by the ex who said she kept reporting him- apparently she kept seeing him too :confused: It's a mail story so I won't link
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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. She is/was an escort/prostitute and her story is that she carried on seeing him so that she could continue gathering evidence against him.

Having said that, because of her profession, I suspect her claims were ignored. Also there was a hell of a lot of chatter about his proclivities on message boards. AFAIK, it's not usual for fans to gossip about paedophilia on the whole so you'd have thought that it might have warranted a bit of further investigation.

I'm reading the foal a story at the moment about a boy who can fly (bear with me, it is relevant). He thinks he must be invisible because no one seems to notice him flying but it turns out that it's just too weird for most people to cope with so they just block it out of their consciousness. I think there must have been a fair bit of that going on here. Plus they were a local S Wales band. South Wales has already had to cope with Richie Manic. It doesn't compute that there's another band from a really small area with an even greater claim to notoriety
 
Manter said:
I'm a bit baffled by the ex who said she kept reporting him- apparently she kept seeing him too :confused: It's a mail story so I won't link
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Yeah I heard an interview with her and she says she kept seeing him to gather more evidence to report to the police. I've no idea if that's true or not but coupled that with the glossy photo shoots it does look like a bit of a money spinner for her. Sounds awful and cynical to say that but that's the impression I get.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Yeah I heard an interview with her and she says she kept seeing him to gather more evidence to report to the police. I've no idea if that's true or not but coupled that with the glossy photo shoots it does look like a bit of a money spinner for her. Sounds awful and cynical to say that but that's the impression I get.
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Something doesn't compute a bit about it. trashpony I didn't realise she was an escort. I assumed that, to the police it looked like vengeful ex lover- she's with him, they split up, he's seeing other people, she makes accusations, she goes back to him, the whole thing starts again...
And good point about it all being too surreal for people to get their heads round (that was my reaction when it first hit the news)
 
Just read through a bit more of this and I know this sounds weird but I'm glad this guy's now in jail because eventually he'd have ended up killing. I mean fucking hell. I know there's too much horrendous stuff gone on to say "I'm glad they got him before it's too late" because it's already way too fucking late but jesus christ he could've killed, I have no doubt about it. Then again I think he's probably been upto this a while and there's no doubt others he's done this too.

I had heard that he solicited young female fans off the webforum, surely then the moderators and admins of that forum would've have some vague awareness of what was going on. What about his management and PR people? Wouldn't they have a role in the keeping up a forum? How come they didn't know? And then the bandmates? What's left of my faith in human nature tells me that surely no-one, no matter how close you were, would turn a blind eye to something so grotesque? But how can you say that after what we know about Jimmy Savile?

I don't think we've heard the last of all this I reckon there's others he abused, and probably other accomplises too. Where does this go from here then?
 
Manter said:
Something doesn't compute a bit about it. trashpony I didn't realise she was an escort. I assumed that, to the police it looked like vengeful ex lover- she's with him, they split up, he's seeing other people, she makes accusations, she goes back to him, the whole thing starts again...
And good point about it all being too surreal for people to get their heads round (that was my reaction when it first hit the news)
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AFAIK, she did report him to the police on a number of occasions. But he's a big star/local hero in South Wales, she's a no mark prostitute (from their perspective). The police have a long and illustrious history of disregarding women who they think are either beneath contempt and/or may be trying to gain by smearing a public figure. Off the top of my head, this year alone, there's been Savile's victims as well as all those girls in Rotherham.
 
so was he the kids' dad as some of the stories imply? if he wasn't i cant imagine what they are going through ... :(
 
Delroy Booth said:
Just read through a bit more of this and I know this sounds weird but I'm glad this guy's now in jail because eventually he'd have ended up killing. I mean fucking hell. I know there's too much horrendous stuff gone on to say "I'm glad they got him before it's too late" because it's already way too fucking late but jesus christ he could've killed, I have no doubt about it.
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thats what i thought :(
 
what the kids' dads are going through i mean, assuming he's not the dad

i know that's not as bad compared to everything else hes fucking done tho but even so :(
 
frogwoman said:
so was he the kids' dad as some of the stories imply? if he wasn't i cant imagine what they are going through ... :(
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I think he was the dad of one of them, at least one of the woman had been posting on fan sites about having his baby.
 
Thora said:
I don't feel that sorry for the band - they might not have known the extent of his tastes but they would have certainly known about him and very young fans.
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It's been reported that he went to considerable lengths to distance himself from them. He stayed in different hotels on tour for example, and they were largely estranged except for on a professional basis. I think it's unfair to assume that they knew what he was up to.
 
Plumdaff said:
It's been reported that he went to considerable lengths to distance himself from them. He stayed in different hotels on tour for example, and they were largely estranged except for on a professional basis. I think it's unfair to assume that they knew what he was up to.
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It also sounds like, ostensibly at least, he was Mr Clean Living until around 2008 ( which seems to coincide with his distancing himself from the rest of the band). I wouldn't be so quick to assume complicity meself.
 
Citizen66 said:
Why is it considered more poisonous to link to the daily mail than it is to read it? :D
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The woman was mentioned in the guardian, I clocked on her name and got sent to the daily mail. So they have another view, more advertising revenue etc. you know this stuff- wasn't it you previously complaining about how often the guardian links to the mail? Or have I got you confused with someone else?
 
I read the sentencing notes last night. Really grim reading :(

It's important for me to know about this stuff. Not to shy away from the horribleness of it all. I feel fucking heartbroken for those children and part of me wishes that I hadnt read it. But this stuff needs to be out in the open. Maybe thats one of the ways to help make it stop :(
 
Manter said:
The woman was mentioned in the guardian, I clocked on her name and got sent to the daily mail. So they have another view, more advertising revenue etc. you know this stuff- wasn't it you previously complaining about how often the guardian links to the mail? Or have I got you confused with someone else?
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I couldn't care less what people read or where they link to. Although I wasn't really thinking of the revenue angle which is a fair enough argument if you don't want to contribute financially to them (although we're probably talking micro pence if anything).
 
Citizen66 said:
I couldn't care less what people read or where they link to. Although I wasn't really thinking of the revenue angle which is a fair enough argument if you don't want to contribute financially to them (although we're probably talking micro pence if anything).
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Eh? The Mail's website is the most read in the UK iirc - they get massive advertising revenue based on it. Every time you click on their site, it boosts their revenue
 
littlebabyjesus said:
The point of comparison with Mary Bell is between her and the abused infants, not their mothers, given that she was abused by her mother from age 4.

The one positive thing here for me is that the children have hopefully been rescued early enough that they can have a chance at life.
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We can but hope.
Unfortunately, as the child protection workers on Urban will attest, very early abuse can cause developmental issues even when the abuse is not recalled, let alone socialisation issues, so one hopes that adoptive families will be on the look-out for problems and tackle them as they emerge.
 
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