Lost Prophets...

[butchersapron]

They're quite young too, aren't they? So they could potentially have more children (though surely they'd be removed at birth)

Very young, so yes. I really don't know on the second part.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Just read them. Jesus Christ

Started reading. Stopped pretty soon after. Not sure what purpose it would serve to carry on reading.

 

[butchersapron]

They will never be allowed to have children though, which is some (small) comfort

I don't think they can stop them having children - keeping them is a different matter.

 

[butchersapron]

Started reading. Stopped pretty soon after. Not sure what purpose it would serve to carry on reading.

Yeah. I couldn't go on after a few pages and skipped to the actual sentencing.

 

[trashpony]

Very young, so yes. I really don't know on the second part.

They can appeal about being on the register 15 years after being released from prison. So most likely beyond the time they will be able to conceive. I can't imagine they'd be taken off it either

 

[trashpony]

I don't think they can stop them having children - keeping them is a different matter.

Sorry, that's what I meant

 

[chandlerp]

Feel more than a bit sick having read the sentencing remarks

 

[colacubes]

I started reading and had to stop. Properly grim

 

[Buckaroo]

Started reading. Stopped pretty soon after. Not sure what purpose it would serve to carry on reading.

same here. fucking hell.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not even going to try reading the sentencing. What I know already is grim enough.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They're quite young too, aren't they? So they could potentially have more children (though surely they'd be removed at birth)

There's no "surely" about it. AFAICR there's no legislation compelling removal. Each case has to be judged on an individual basis, so a post-prison child, while it would be highly likely to be monitored, wouldn't necessarily be removed without cause (and having been imprisoned for an offence in the past isn't necessarily cause, especially as for one of the women, the psych report assessed her as having a low likelihood of re-offending.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They will never be allowed to have children though, which is some (small) comfort

They may never be allowed to raise children, but they can't be sterilised, so "having children" is a possibility.

 

[DotCommunist]

Not even going to try reading the sentencing. What I know already is grim enough.

this, its been a grim few years for child abuse revelations.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not even going to try reading the sentencing. What I know already is grim enough.

Mostly the judge's remarks elucidate the actual offences which, if you're not used to reading stuff like that, is pretty horrendous. The sentencing part isn't as explicit, and mostly refers to the various criminal acts as "count number X".
I wouldn't advise anyone who isn't already somewhat hardened to this stuff to read it though. It took me weeks to get over reading the first child abuse case study I studied for my masters, and I was forewarned, so to speak.

 

[butchersapron]

The police took away 27 terabytes worth of memory (that's not all child/animal porn obv) but that's a lot of memory. What requires such memory?

 

[butchersapron]

Shall i take down that sentencing remarks link? I tried to warn people as best but still feel it shouldn't be here.

 

[joustmaster]

The police took away 27 terabytes worth of memory (that's not all child/animal porn obv) but that's a lot of memory. What requires such memory?

music stuff. raw multi track recordings and the like, i guess.

 

[pinkmonkey]

It might be best to, I'm sure if people want to find it on t'internets they can do so.

 

[joustmaster]

Shall i take down that sentencing remarks link? I tried to warn people as best but still feel it shouldn't be here.

no. its good to be able to see the facts.

 

[butchersapron]

music stuff. raw multi track recordings and the like, i guess.

In that case, chop him up and throw away the key.

 

[story]

no. its good to be able to see the facts.

This.

Looking away is one of the factors that enables abuse of all kinds.

 

[Citizen66]

Started reading. Stopped pretty soon after. Not sure what purpose it would serve to carry on reading.

Same here. I didn't realise the women actually participated in the abuse of their own babies. Had to stop reading.

 

[Ranbay]

The police took away 27 terabytes worth of memory (that's not all child/animal porn obv) but that's a lot of memory. What requires such memory?

HD films and TV's tha'ts what fills my PC with more than that 27TB, can pop stars be pirates also?

 

[Manter]

There's no "surely" about it. AFAICR there's no legislation compelling removal. Each case has to be judged on an individual basis, so a post-prison child, while it would be highly likely to be monitored, wouldn't necessarily be removed without cause (and having been imprisoned for an offence in the past isn't necessarily cause, especially as for one of the women, the psych report assessed her as having a low likelihood of re-offending.

That surprises me... She did something unspeakable because a famous guy she fancied told her to- what happens when she meets some other famous bloke? I guess Social Services have to judge each case, I'm not saying there should be a blanket law, but surely (that word again!) these women won't be allowed access to children?

 

[butchersapron]

HD films and TV's tha'ts what fills my PC with more than that 27TB, can pop stars be pirates also?

Fair enough. I'm a pretty hardcore hogger. Not got anywhere near that.

 

[Citizen66]

music stuff. raw multi track recordings and the like, i guess.

Yeah this probably. Recording to hdd. He was in a band after all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That surprises me... She did something unspeakable because a famous guy she fancied told her to- what happens when she meets some other famous bloke? I guess Social Services have to judge each case, I'm not saying there should be a blanket law, but surely (that word again!) these women won't be allowed access to children?

Mary Bell was allowed to have a child after she left prison, and although she and the child were monitored, nothing ever occurred that gave social services reason to remove the child.

 

[Citizen66]

Fair enough. I'm a pretty hardcore hogger. Not got anywhere near that.

Don't forget each track (and there can be tens of them to each song) are recorded in wav too, not mp3. It soon eats up hd real estate.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't forget each track (and there can be tens of them to each song) are recorded in wav too, not mp3. It soon eats up hd real estate.

That sounds most likely - but at home it would be one track alone wouldn't it?

 

[8ball]

That sounds most likely - but at home it would be one track alone wouldn't it?

I'd expect a musician to keep loads of tracks at home, together with experiments add-ons and bits of messing about it adds up quickly.