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Just went back to re-read the article and it looks like its been edited to remove the womens names. Interesting. I dont feel so bad (or worried) now
 
Giles said:
Well, as Pinkmonkey said - you can find unchanged press articles about the runaway schoolgirl and pervy teacher on several UK newspaper web sites. Presumably they more than most are aware of the laws on this.

Which would imply that if they do not have to go back and delete articles naming someone when later they are granted "anonymity" by the courts, then presumably no-one else does either?

So the article that was linked to on here is OK since it was published months back?

Do they look at file change dates to determine if a web page pre-dates a ban on naming names?

Or how?

Giles..
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You're confusing two issues. The relevant question for this site is whether or not linking to a site that allows victims to be identified, within the last few days, is unlawful. I suspect that it might be, notwithstanding the fact that the names were already on the net.
 
Athos said:
You're confusing two issues. The relevant question for this site is whether or not linking to a site that allows victims to be identified, within the last few days, is unlawful. I suspect that it might be, notwithstanding the fact that the names were already on the net.
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Unlawful if you did it knowingly, I would think. Unwise and wrong to do, imo, regardless of the law, because I can see good reason to keep their names out of the public domain.
 
its clear given that the author has removed the names in the last 24 hours that her intention wasnt to shame like Peaches Geldof did, rather an oversight due to her knowledge of the case/situation and the fact it was written before the case came to trial.
 
Buddy Bradley said:
Very reminiscent of Savile, that whole "Well, everyone in the industry knew about it for years..." :(
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Yeah which seems to be an ongoing theme with celebrity sex offenders- police not interested in pursuing them, complainants dismissed and not believed. Shit all round :(
 
Serotonin said:
Yeah which seems to be an ongoing theme with celebrity sex offenders- police not interested in pursuing them, complainants dismissed and not believed. Shit all round :(
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Is it just with celebrity sex offenders or sex offenders in general? Genuine question - I don't know.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Is it just with celebrity sex offenders or sex offenders in general? Genuine question - I don't know.
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It's a good question, but one that's hard to answer because of the complexities of the issues the answers are derived from.

What we (i.e. the public to whom these sex offences are represented by the media) need to bear in mind is that:

  • That our criminal justice system is not predicated on examining crimes (any crimes) of the powerful.
  • That same criminal justice system functions in such a way that those offences that do get investigated are the most easily-prosecutable and/or those cases with the greatest chance of successful conviction. Many cases are dropped at the investigation stage because the circumstances of the case provide too little easily accesible evidence to make them easy to prosecute.
  • That the system is institutionally loaded against plaintiffs who are poor and/or of a minority ethnic heritage in such a way that people of those attributes are over-represented in prisons.
  • That statistics produced from within the criminal justice system pertaining to sex offences are artefacts of a system of definitions that don't always accord to the lived experience of those victims whose sufferings do make it into the statistics (i.e. aren't "culled" by the police services or the CPS).
The above are why celebrity abusers appear to have "got away with it", and why what gets represented to us is usually full of holes and convenient elisions. It also points up why abusers per se are more likely than not to "get away with it" if they're circumspect. :(
 
It's also about the amount of chatter - it's noise after a while. So when people are making all sorts of outrageous claims about a famous person online (and I've read a lot of them about IW which have nothing to do with child abuse), no one pays very much attention.

Also I think these kind of crimes are so far outside 'normal' human behaviour, so deviant, that it's actually fairly inconceivable for anyone to actually commit this kind of crimes
 
The band have just released this statement on their facebook page:

"Earlier this week, we learned that the allegations of child sexual abuse against Ian were true, and that he would not be contesting them in court. Until then, we found them extremely difficult to believe and had hoped it was all a mistake. Sadly, the true extent of his appalling behaviour is now impossible to deny.

Many of you understandably want to know if we knew what Ian was doing. To be clear: We did not. We knew that Ian was a difficult character. Our personal relationships with him had deteriorated in recent years to a point that working together was a constant, miserable challenge. But despite his battles with drugs, his egotistic behaviour, and the resulting fractures and frustrations within our band, we never imagined him capable of behaviour of the type he has now admitted.

We are heartbroken, angry, and disgusted at what has been revealed. This is something that will haunt us for the rest of our lives. Being in a band has always been a labour of love and a platform to inspire people, not to take advantage of them. It's still hard to believe this is happening and that someone we were once so close to has destroyed so many lives, lying every step of the way.
Our hearts go out to Ian's family, the fans and friends he betrayed, and most importantly, the victims of his crimes and others like them. We hope for justice, but also that Ian will truly take responsibility for what he's done. We would urge any other victims to contact the authorities."

Jamie, Lee, Luke, Mike and Stu
 
skyscraper101 said:
The band have just released this statement on their facebook page:

"Earlier this week, we learned that the allegations of child sexual abuse against Ian were true, and that he would not be contesting them in court. Until then, we found them extremely difficult to believe and had hoped it was all a mistake. Sadly, the true extent of his appalling behaviour is now impossible to deny.

Many of you understandably want to know if we knew what Ian was doing. To be clear: We did not. We knew that Ian was a difficult character. Our personal relationships with him had deteriorated in recent years to a point that working together was a constant, miserable challenge. But despite his battles with drugs, his egotistic behaviour, and the resulting fractures and frustrations within our band, we never imagined him capable of behaviour of the type he has now admitted.

We are heartbroken, angry, and disgusted at what has been revealed. This is something that will haunt us for the rest of our lives. Being in a band has always been a labour of love and a platform to inspire people, not to take advantage of them. It's still hard to believe this is happening and that someone we were once so close to has destroyed so many lives, lying every step of the way.
Our hearts go out to Ian's family, the fans and friends he betrayed, and most importantly, the victims of his crimes and others like them. We hope for justice, but also that Ian will truly take responsibility for what he's done. We would urge any other victims to contact the authorities."

Jamie, Lee, Luke, Mike and Stu
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That's a good statement. Very well judged, respect to them.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25311223
Call to remove paving slabs in Pontypridd with his/their lyrics on as now tainted
Claude Knights, chief executive of the child protection charity Kidscape, said: "Ian Watkins's crimes are appalling.

"It would be wise for the council to consider taking the slabs up. His work has been tainted.

"It should be removed for the sake of the local community."
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weird shit from that link ^^
hope he cries and breaks down and begs whilst getting taken away

Prosecutor Christopher Clee QC has told the court about two phone calls Watkins made to a female friend from Parc Prison after his guilty pleas.

On November 27, the day after he admitted he was a paedophile, he said of the court hearing: "It was like either me go up there and say 'Come on, it wasn't that bad, nobody got hurt'. I do my charm or do I end up making things worse for myself or do I just say I was off my head and can't remember?"

Discussing his possible sentence, he added: "I'm going to put a statement on the 18th now just to say it was megalolz, I don't know what everyone is getting so freaked out about."

In another conversation the following day he said: "It's so hard. There's a lot of ****ing meaningless bull**** like chat that I did to show off when I was ****ing off my head.

"There was no medical evidence, nobody was harmed at all.

"I'm not a paedophile, I'm not. You know I plead (sic) guilty just to avoid a trial, not realising 'Hang on, that makes me look a bit guilty' but I would never harm anybody."

When asked if he would still issue a statement saying his conduct was "megalolz" he replied: "No, it's just lols now."
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There's not many people who really leave a fucking nasty taste in my mouth, but this dudes nonchalant fucking attitude towards heinous activities repeatedly trying to blame drugs and other people is one of them.

Lots of people take drugs, I've met a lot of people who take drugs. None of those people have tried to fuck a baby, the nearest is saying "have you seen a serbian film?" and then feeling dirty when you respond "yes"
 
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