Looks like Genesis P-Orridge has died

[nogojones]

I know he's been ill for a while, so it's no great shock.

 

[killer b]

Ah, difficult to know how to react. Sad I think. Bellend, but I love so much of the music, and enjoyed a lot of what he had to say too. Ah well.

 

[fishfinger]

Sad news. S/he was quite an interesting character (albeit with some serious flaws). Riot in Pandrogyny.

 

[killer b]

 

[sunnysidedown]

RIP

 

[Fozzie Bear]

A mixed legacy. I predict a few weeks of glowing eulogies with some caveats. Then the knives come out.

Gen was a massive influence on me as a teenager and I cherish the time I spent with them and being involved in related things.

but that influence has needed some serious unpicking since.

 

[belboid]

Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, Musician, Artist and Provocateur, Dies at 70 (Published 2020)

Genesis achieved cult notoriety leading the British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, and later pushed the limits of gender in a surgical project to merge identities with her wife.

www.nytimes.com

Kinda sad. A fascinating and often brilliant character and musician. Also a complete shit.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

A mixed legacy. I predict a few weeks of glowing eulogies with some caveats. Then the knives come out.

I wonder who's in charge of his/her laptop...

I must admit I always found TG a bit too challenging for me, and PTV were just a load of toss for the most part. Still, this is remarkable:

 

[Athos]

How many good tunes does it take for us to gloss over the abuse of women?

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

How many good tunes does it take for us to gloss over the abuse of women?

0.04 milliBowies

 

[Athos]

0.04 milliBowies

Quite.

 

[The39thStep]

Sad to hear of anyones death but musically obscure , cultist and over rated despite being a former Gatley resident

 

[belboid]

How many good tunes does it take for us to gloss over the abuse of women?

Good thing no ones actually doing that then, isn’t it?

As history shows, being a complete shit doesn’t negate someone’s artistic importance, even tho it does their legacy.

 

[Athos]

Good thing no ones actually doing that then, isn’t it?

I dunno. I think people are coming close by euphemistically describing him as a bellend, a shit, a mixed legacy, flawed, etc., rather than calling a spade a physically, sexually and emotionally abusive spade.

 

[killer b]

I dunno. I think people are coming close by euphemistically describing him as a bellend, a shit, a mixed legacy, flawed, etc., rather than calling a spade a physically, sexually and emotionally abusive spade.

We've discussed p-orridge on here often enough. Ive no interest in glossing anything over, but also no interest in detailing exactly why he was a bellend every time we discuss him.

 

[Athos]

We've discussed p-orridge on here often enough. Ive no interest in glossing anything over, but also no interest in detailing exactly why he was a bellend every time we discuss him.

Fair enough.

Weinstein was a great producer, too.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

rather than calling a spade a physically, sexually and emotionally abusive spade.

I think that’s a very reductive way of describing Gen’s negative attributes.

 

[belboid]

Fair enough.

Weinstein was a great producer, too.

I trust you never use any variety of Gill Sans

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

I trust you never use any variety of Gill Sans

looks up who designed the Gill typeface

THE FUCK!?!

 

[Athos]

I trust you never use any variety of Gill Sans

There's a difference between using a typeface and talking up the achievements of an abuser, with some mealy mouthed caveat.

 

[SpookyFrank]

How many good tunes does it take for us to gloss over the abuse of women?

If it's any more than zero then this piece of shit is out of luck.

 

[andysays]

Throbbing Gristle's Genesis P-Orridge dies aged 70

Genesis P-Orridge, founding member of cult experimental bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, has died. The musician and artist, who had been battling leukaemia for two-and-a-half years, was 70.

With Throbbing Gristle, Genesis helped pioneer the genre of industrial music. In later life, they became a "body evolutionist", proposing a new gender that was beyond male and female.

I hope you'll be complaining to the BBC Athos...

 

[killer b]

There's a difference between using a typeface and talking up the achievements of an abuser, with some mealy mouthed caveat.

A friend of mine takes a similar view, while only last night he was recommending we watch a documentary about unrepentant wife beater (and trumpeter, but never mind that) Miles Davis

 

[Spandex]

A friend of mine takes a similar view, while only last night he was recommending we watch a documentary about unrepentant wife beater (and trumpeter, but never mind that) Miles Davis

We need some kind of definitive guide to which abusive musicians it's okay to like.

Miles Davis - wife beater - OK
James Brown - wife beater - OK
Led Zeppelin - sexual assault/attempted rape - OK
David Bowie - underage girls - OK
Michael Jackson - young boys - borderline
Gary Glitter - young girls - not OK
The Who - underage girls - OK
Lost Prophets - toddlers - definitely not OK
Genesis P-Orridge - controlling/abusive - ?

 

[Big Bertha]

We need some kind of definitive guide to which abusive musicians it's okay to like.

Miles Davis - wife beater - OK
James Brown - wife beater - OK
Led Zeppelin - sexual assault/attempted rape - OK
David Bowie - underage girls - OK
Michael Jackson - young boys - borderline
Gary Glitter - young girls - not OK
The Who - underage girls - OK
Lost Prophets - toddlers - definitely not OK
Genesis P-Orridge - controlling/abusive - ?

R Kelly - not ok

 

[Orang Utan]

I think that’s a very reductive way of describing Gen’s negative attributes.

it’s an accurate one. Don’t fudge the issue cos you like the music.

 

[belboid]

There's a difference between using a typeface and talking up the achievements of an abuser, with some mealy mouthed caveat.

aah, so you're a virtue signalling hypocrite. Good lad

 

[killer b]

virtue signalling

I've noticed this far right attack line slipping into more common usage recently, and would prefer it if it didn't.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

it’s an accurate one. Don’t fudge the issue cos you like the music.

my point is that it is entirely accurate but doesn’t go far enough. I’d be very surprised if you knew more about this than me.

 

[belboid]

I've noticed this far right attack line slipping into more common usage recently, and would prefer it if it didn't.

I'm quite fond of (definitely not right-wing) David Shariatmadari's phrase, that is a smug phrase from those 'with a false sense of power or superiority' Tho, yeah, I grant you, it can be/usually is used by the right.