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Laurence Fox. The twat.

If they come for hopkins I'm making Tea and Breaking outbreak Biscuits the Good ones.

The problem with "freedom of speech champions" Is they are all massive dicks they are devaluing the concept they claim to cherish and certainly dont believe the alternative point of view should exsist let alone be heard.
 
Pynchon said:
I was going to say that I'm shocked by some of the lazy responses to this event on this thread, but of course I'm not. Anarchists would once have focused on the over-reach of the State's paramilitary arm on this occasion, but no longer apparently. It seems that there are situations when anarchists and leftists put aside outrage at the cops actually breaking the law and intimidating working-class people, so long as those cops are upholding an ideology that 99% of the working class of this country have no truck with. Every one of you here who are prevaricating or making excuses for the cops, or denigrating a man who was simply exercising his freedom of expression, should be f*cking ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't matter whether you agree with his sharing of a meme or not, can't you see what you are enabling by giving the State permission to police what you say on social media? "First they came for the progress pride flag satirists, but I said nothing, and then when they came for me ...."
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Oh look, another n00b come to tell Urban where it's going wrong. Door, arse, etc.
 
rubbershoes said:
The time they've been here is irrelevant imo. New posters are welcome and have as much right to talk shit as long term posters.
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The number of times we get some "newbie" poster that launches straight in with a wide-ranging criticism of the site, and then turns out to be a troll, banned returner, or general Bad Sort, I think some scepticism is justified.

Even if it's just a question of common courtesy or practical sense, there's not much to be gained from joining a community and instantly slagging it off.

So I'll continue to harbour my scepticism, and if I turn out to be wrong, well 🤷‍♂️.
 
Pynchon said:
I was going to say that I'm shocked by some of the lazy responses to this event on this thread, but of course I'm not. Anarchists would once have focused on the over-reach of the State's paramilitary arm on this occasion, but no longer apparently. It seems that there are situations when anarchists and leftists put aside outrage at the cops actually breaking the law and intimidating working-class people, so long as those cops are upholding an ideology that 99% of the working class of this country have no truck with. Every one of you here who are prevaricating or making excuses for the cops, or denigrating a man who was simply exercising his freedom of expression, should be f*cking ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't matter whether you agree with his sharing of a meme or not, can't you see what you are enabling by giving the State permission to police what you say on social media? "First they came for the progress pride flag satirists, but I said nothing, and then when they came for me ...."
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Yeah, who are the real Nazis?
 
Pynchon said:
I was going to say that I'm shocked by some of the lazy responses to this event on this thread, but of course I'm not. Anarchists would once have focused on the over-reach of the State's paramilitary arm on this occasion, but no longer apparently. It seems that there are situations when anarchists and leftists put aside outrage at the cops actually breaking the law and intimidating working-class people, so long as those cops are upholding an ideology that 99% of the working class of this country have no truck with. Every one of you here who are prevaricating or making excuses for the cops, or denigrating a man who was simply exercising his freedom of expression, should be f*cking ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't matter whether you agree with his sharing of a meme or not, can't you see what you are enabling by giving the State permission to police what you say on social media? "First they came for the progress pride flag satirists, but I said nothing, and then when they came for me ...."
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May I just say in response to your passionate defence.......



......"lol".
 
Pynchon said:
I was going to say that I'm shocked by some of the lazy responses to this event on this thread, but of course I'm not. Anarchists would once have focused on the over-reach of the State's paramilitary arm on this occasion, but no longer apparently. It seems that there are situations when anarchists and leftists put aside outrage at the cops actually breaking the law and intimidating working-class people, so long as those cops are upholding an ideology that 99% of the working class of this country have no truck with. Every one of you here who are prevaricating or making excuses for the cops, or denigrating a man who was simply exercising his freedom of expression, should be f*cking ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't matter whether you agree with his sharing of a meme or not, can't you see what you are enabling by giving the State permission to police what you say on social media? "First they came for the progress pride flag satirists, but I said nothing, and then when they came for me ...."
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"What did you do on Friday?"
"Went on a forum and called everyone there leftists and anarchists."
"Were they?"
"No."
 
Pynchon said:
I was going to say that I'm shocked by some of the lazy responses to this event on this thread, but of course I'm not. Anarchists would once have focused on the over-reach of the State's paramilitary arm on this occasion, but no longer apparently. It seems that there are situations when anarchists and leftists put aside outrage at the cops actually breaking the law and intimidating working-class people, so long as those cops are upholding an ideology that 99% of the working class of this country have no truck with. Every one of you here who are prevaricating or making excuses for the cops, or denigrating a man who was simply exercising his freedom of expression, should be f*cking ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't matter whether you agree with his sharing of a meme or not, can't you see what you are enabling by giving the State permission to police what you say on social media? "First they came for the progress pride flag satirists, but I said nothing, and then when they came for me ...."
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If the cops batter foxhunting or fascists I'm not going to complain. I never saw the foxhunters or fascists complain about cops hitting hunt says or anti-fascists. I never saw people of fox's ilk defending people given grief for displaying class war posters. Fuck 'em
 
Pickman's model said:
If the cops batter foxhunting or fascists I'm not going to complain. I never saw the foxhunters or fascists complain about cops hitting hunt says or anti-fascists. I never saw people of fox's ilk defending people given grief for displaying class war posters. Fuck 'em
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That's right, Fox and his ilk only care about their right to be obnoxious, not anyone else's right not to be subject to it. Looza won't stop moaning about being silenced, yet openly talked over that woman on QT without giving a stuff about her right to speak. It's always "free speech for me but not for thee" with these reactionary types.
 
likesfish said:
Free speech is vitally important.
IF you get a public voice don't talk total bollocks because that's a way to get get the concept devalued and when its actually needed nobody will care.
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The people who use free speech as you describe don't actually give a toss about free speech. They're usually the very people who cry about 'cancel culture' every time someone uses their own free speech to point out that someone else's free speech is causing harm.
 
Those of this ilk often seem very preoccupied with a whole collection of life mantras which they are happy to spray out with a knowing look and an arched eyebrow, but fully resistant to the thought of linking one to another, because all such ideas are fully discrete, air-tight parcels of WELL IT'S OBVIOUS ISN'T ITness.

The notion that FREE SPEECH might play out somewhat differently once it bumps up against FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT, for instance, or IT'S THE DEEP STATE tapping on the shoulder of SAVE THE STATUES, SAVE OUR HISTORY...
 
equationgirl said:
Free speech is absolutely vital.

But free speech does not mean anyone can say whatever they want without any consequences.
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Yep. Technically my ex had the "freedom" to say racist things about people - as in the government couldn't put him in prison for it. But I equally had and used my personal freedom to tell him that that behaviour put me off him, and not go out with him any more. Yet according to him, that made me no better than a Nazi because I didn't "respect" his vile beliefs.
 
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LeytonCatLady said:
Yep. Technically my ex had the "freedom" to say racist things about people - as in the government couldn't put him in prison for it. But I equally had and used my personal freedom to tell him that that behaviour put me off him, and not go out with him any more. Yet according to him, that made me no better than a Nazi because I didn't "respect" his vile beliefs.
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Well it appear he didn't respect your belief not to go out with racists either, he's not being all liberal with his free speech, just an arsehole. It appears free speech is used to excuse much poor behaviour.
 
Pynchon said:
Well, I said I wouldn't be surprised! What a bunch of middle-class, liberal, reactionary tosh. You'll supporting the cops because it aligns with yr warped ideology. I thought free-thinkers were anti-establishment. Once-upon-a-time anarchists and lib-socialists valued freedom of speech. We railed against Mary Whitehouse and the Moral Majority. Jello Biafra was a hero; Genesis P-Orridge's transgressions were a light in the darkness; yadda, yadda. It doesn't matter if you think Lawrence Fox is a twat - I think Lawrence Fox is an enormous bell-end - but you have see the bigger picture and recognise that the State/the cops, once they determine what thought is allowed and what isn't allowed, will be bearing down on all your smug middle-class arses next. They'll allow you to chuck over a few statues and chant 'trans women are women', or whatever new fad you maniacs are temporarily into, but the pride rainbow cop cars will come for you in the end, if you try to actually change anything, which I guess most of you won't really want to or need to ....
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there's laurence fox, who we're talking about, and lawrence fox who is a totally different creature
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Pynchon said:
because it aligns with yr warped ideology…. or whatever new fad you maniacs are temporarily into
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Well I for one feel honoured; to be described as a maniac with a warped ideology - why, ‘tis high praise indeed, sir! (I’m assuming you are a sir)
 
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