Laurence Fox. The twat.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Surely a republic and a kingdom are mutually exclusive by definition? So as much as I hate to agree with Looza, he is technically correct that it would be the Republic of Great Britain - if we ditched the monarchy.

You've forgotten Northern Ireland

 

[gosub]

You've forgotten Northern Ireland

I can't see those people of North Ireland who think of themselves as British being too happy about the Head of the Church of England (and other things) being deposed

 

[danny la rouge]

I can't see those people of North Ireland who think of themselves as British being too happy about the Head of the Church of England (and other things) being deposed

Weird role of the monarch to pick in your example. The majority of NI Protestants are Presbyterian. The minority who are Church of Ireland already have a denomination run on an all-Ireland basis, and with Ireland in its name.

 

[gosub]

Weird role of the monarch to pick in your example. The majority of NI Protestants are Presbyterian. The minority who are Church of Ireland already have a denomination run on an all-Ireland basis, and with Ireland in its name.

No, just not that up on the intracies of Protestentism in Ireland (ex wife was Catholic). Also, predominently English background, so the nuiances which seem more obvious to a Scot I don't think I would have be alone in not knowing. (and like most, also not a member of a church). English education system really only covers the Henry VIII bit and thats it, aint that much on James II in your average history syllabus

 

[danny la rouge]

No, just not that up on the intracies of Protestentism in Ireland (ex wife was Catholic). Also, predominently English background, so the nuiances which seem more obvious to a Scot I don't think I would have be alone in not knowing. (and like most, also not a member of a church). English education system really only covers the Henry VIII bit and thats it, aint that much on James II in your average history syllabus

Ah, OK. Well, from a Calvinist standpoint, the Reformation didn’t touch the C of E. That was just a manoeuvre to get Henry VIII a new wife.

 

[gosub]

Ah, OK. Well, from a Calvinist standpoint, the Reformation didn’t touch the C of E. That was just a manoeuvre to get Henry VIII a new wife.

This is starting to run the run the risk of getting into stuff I find interesting. Reformation didn't just allow for a new wife, freed up thought - away from the type of shit that happened to Copernicus. That the printing press came in ...thats when (in my opinion) British Isles took off. And the Enlightenment started in Scotland, presumably the Calvernist seperation of Church and State gave some advantage.


Theres probably some parallels here that can be drawn with the Internet and Californian 'fact' checkers. But I'm not sure this is the thread. This thread is more about a bloke who can get to sing songs like that on national tv without thinking he's privelidged and what he's done now.

 

[danny la rouge]

This is starting to run the run the risk of getting into stuff I find interesting. Reformation didn't just allow for a new wife, freed up thought - away from the type of shit that happened to Copernicus. That the printing press came in ...thats when (in my opinion) British Isles took off. And the Enlightenment started in Scotland, presumably the Calvernist seperation of Church and State gave some advantage.


Theres probably some parallels here that can be drawn with the Internet and Californian 'fact' checkers. But I'm not sure this is the thread. This thread is more about a bloke who can get to sing songs like that on mational tv without thinking he's privelidged and what he' done now.

I did say from a Calvinist standpoint, not from mine.

 

[gosub]

I did say from a Calvinist standpoint, not from mine.

Yeah, but you added to my grasp of something, which for me is never a bad thing.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yeah, but you added to my grasp of something, which for me is never a bad thing.

And to be fair the relationship of the Protestant reformation to the rise of capitalism is far more interesting than Daft Larry and his grift.

 

[Hollis]

Teachers' Unions ruined it for te kidz... amusing tea-time viewing..

Martin Daubney. Ho hum.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm in a teaching union. I can confirm that they couldn't boil a pot of piss on a bonfire, never mind dictate government policy.

 

[Ax^]

what does he used to get the taste of nigel farrages dick out of his mouth

 

[existentialist]

what does he used to get the taste of nigel farrages dick out of his mouth

The taste of Boris Johnson's dick, I imagine.

 

[krtek a houby]

Lot of dick discussion lately

 

[PR1Berske]

We're all men here.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is starting to run the run the risk of getting into stuff I find interesting. Reformation didn't just allow for a new wife, freed up thought - away from the type of shit that happened to Copernicus. That the printing press came in ...thats when (in my opinion) British Isles took off. And the Enlightenment started in Scotland, presumably the Calvernist seperation of Church and State gave some advantage.


Theres probably some parallels here that can be drawn with the Internet and Californian 'fact' checkers. But I'm not sure this is the thread. This thread is more about a bloke who can get to sing songs like that on national tv without thinking he's privelidged and what he's done now.

The printing press came in rather before the reformation as anyone who has heard of William Caxton can aver.

 

[Kaka Tim]

The printing press came in rather before the reformation as anyone who has heard of William Caxton can aver.

And was a major driver behind it - cos vernacular bibles.

 

[gosub]

And was a major driver behind it - cos vernacular bibles.

And the further from Vatican enforced 'truth' the more Elightened we bacame, able as people were to bolt incovienient truths together to create fresh paradigms

 

[Pickman's model]

And the further from Vatican enforced 'truth' the more Elightened we bacame, able as people were to bolt incovienient truths together to create fresh paradigms

that's not really true is it

if that was really the case then the 13 colonies in america ought to have been anarchist communist havens

 

[tim]

Weird role of the monarch to pick in your example. The majority of NI Protestants are Presbyterian. The minority who are Church of Ireland already have a denomination run on an all-Ireland basis, and with Ireland in its name.

The main Presbyterian Denomination is also all Ireland as are most other faith groups. Even the Paisleyite Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster has two congregations in the Republic

 

[Plumdaff]

I'm in a teaching union. I can confirm that they couldn't boil a pot of piss on a bonfire, never mind dictate government policy.

I hypothesise that a country where the unions could force a national lockdown would also be a country where we'd have reasonable sick pay two years into a pandemic. Just a hunch.

 

[tim]

The printing press came in rather before the reformation as anyone who has heard of William Caxton can aver.

The Waldensian movement started in the twelfth century in Piedmonte, so before the introduction of the printing press to Europe, and. It still exists and has merged, at least in Italy, with the Methodists. As soon as they became aware of the reforms north of the Alps they sought to link up, but they were to some degree the vanguard of the reformation.

 

[JimW]

The Waldensian movement started in the twelfth century in Piedmonte, so before the introduction of the printing press to Europe, and. It still exists and has merged, at least in Italy, with the Methodists. As soon as they became aware of the reforms north of the Alps they sought to link up, but they were to some degree the vanguard of the reformation.

Would the Hussites predate it too? Bit vague on it all myself.

 

[tim]

Would the Hussites predate it too? Bit vague on it all myself.

Yes and the Lollards

 

[likesfish]

I suppose the fox is busy trying to put together a British freedom convoy goid luck with the shortage of hgv drivers

 

[tim]

Laurence has cancelled me.

Laurence Fox @LozzaFox

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[Boris Sprinkler]

what have you done to upset him?

 

[tim]

what have you done to upset him?

I don't know exactly. I've been trying quite hard for a couple of years. Presumably, it was just the last straw. One more to add to the list alongside: Spiked, Laurie Penny, Galloway, and Matt Ridley.

 

[Lurdan]

Laurence has cancelled me.

On yer bike.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Waldensian movement started in the twelfth century in Piedmonte, so before the introduction of the printing press to Europe, and. It still exists and has merged, at least in Italy, with the Methodists. As soon as they became aware of the reforms north of the Alps they sought to link up, but they were to some degree the vanguard of the reformation.

there's so many people who can claim to have been the vanguard of the reformation, to have anticipated luther and calvin and melancthon and zwingli. it would be tiresome to list all the currents who said earlier much the same thing as the waldensians or the hussites etc etc etc ad nauseam.