winjer
holocene death beat
How so? Just because it didn't break the new condition of carriage, it certainly broke others.
Last Circle Line Party - MAY 31ST
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ajdown
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Have you heard many people that were there speaking out about the ban? Or was it just another excuse to get wasted?
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Plus, of course, overcrowding to that extent is dangerous anyway, and becomes a safety issue as much as anything else.
Not to mention all the glass that was left behind and broken on the ground.
winjer
holocene death beat
Plenty of other byelaws:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/termsandconditions/5004.aspx
Including singing, disorderly behaviour, and "wilfully interfer[ing] with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway."
extra dry
Happy to be here
people did not protest the ban on drinking and driving by getting tanked up and driving around, a day before the law came in to force.
it just seems that alcohol and protests don't mix very well. There is a big difference between making a statement and making a complete twat of yourself for all people to see...it just added to the reasons for the ban.
it just seems that alcohol and protests don't mix very well. There is a big difference between making a statement and making a complete twat of yourself for all people to see...it just added to the reasons for the ban.
whoopee do.
(although i do like the wilfully interferring one
)if it was a political statement and not just a piss up for shits and giggles it would have been on June 1st.
winjer
holocene death beat
Yes. Why would people feel the need for an excuse, it hardly seems consistent with your claims of rampant overindulgence on every tube...
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
But I see no evidence to suggest that those were broken with the express aim of breaking them, they broke them casually. I'd bet most people didn't know they were doing so. Civil disobedience is only civil disobedience if it is deliberate.
You're retrofitting the story to make the party a protest, just like I assumed it was a protest when it's just a party.
winjer
holocene death beat
Because drinking and driving is actually dangerous.
winjer
holocene death beat
I'm not retrofitting anything, you're just refusing to accept it as a protest because it didn't fit your ridiculously narrow definitions of political action.
i heard a fuck of a lot of people chanting Boris is a wanker
Many cities have a similar system. But it's more about making it more convenient for the passenger. In China they have them too, but the fares are the same whether you use the card or not, it's more a way of avoiding constantly having to look for change.
Our version is punitive. They punish you for not having one. And then they lie by saying that you "Save up to 2.50 by using the Oyster card" when all you're doing by using the Oyster is paying the normal fare, rather than being fined for not having an oyster.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
um...Hats off to winjer on this thread actually.
Fair play mate, the voice of fucking reason in here
Fair play mate, the voice of fucking reason in here
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
er i agree thats sneaky and annoying, and forces you to get one, but that's...
just INSIGNIFICANT compared to how much easier its made travel. It was a ropey start but now that everything has it, its got a lot better.
I thought you were going to make the valid point that the things are like voluntary homing devices (which even then isn't really a big deal).
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
It's funny, when I claim it as a protest a load of people have a go at me for disagreeing with how it was organised. Once I concede that it was, for most people, an excuse to party and not really a protest, people tell me I'm wrong because my definition of protest is wrong.
Cannae win around here.
I can tell you straight out, of the half dozen IRL people I know went, only my brother claimed to be going to protest rather than party.
Perhaps people were partying without realising they were protesting, I'm ahppy with that. I'm happy with a spontaneous show of anger, I'm happy that it happened, as an activisty type I have certainly learnt the value of facebook in organising people, but I'm yet to be convinced of its value as a political action within the wider tradition or trying to get something you disagree with changed.
Show me the evidence that significant groups of people were setting out to commit an act of civil disobedience deliberately and knowledgably, rather than just have a party, then I'll concede happily.
Is a flashmob a protest if it breaks bylaws?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
If a load of twats getting pissed on the tube is what amounts to a protest nowadays then it's a sorry state of affairs indeed.
The Black Hand
Unclean
So, yet another "political protest" you weren't actually at then?
Funnily enough there are thousands - I wasn't at Mayday in paris for example...
Get a grip/life.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
I do think it was just a party, on the whole. However, those people I know who were in the various circle line parties also happen to be very political in other ways. It could be that this was, for the main part, a party, to say goodbye to the right to booze on the tube, with an extra little bit of politics for some.
(I had no choice personally - as a friend said elsewhere, 'I'd like to change the world, but I couldn't get the babysitting.' Politics or otherwise, I was a bystander).
To be honest, our generation is bloody apathetic. Hardly any of us vote, and when we do, it's with a resigned shrug; to see people even partying with a vaguely political element is slightly encouraging.
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