Last Circle Line Party - MAY 31ST
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Bristly Pioneer
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The Space Hijackers are definitely NOT involved in this one, although a fair few of us will probably pop along.
our main concern is that a bunch of people who found out about it via the London Paper/facebook etc are going to come along and trash the trains etc. We always tried to promote the 'be responsible for yourselves and others' self organisation side of the parties (practical exercise in anarchism?). This looks much more like a bundle of students out to flashmob and get shit faced. I'm just hoping no-one gets hurt.
The hijacker parties always had weeks of planning etc, and were a fairly military affair (even if they looked completely chaotic). getting sound systems linked between train carriages etc isn't a simple job.
That said if a 10th anniversary party happens next year (depending on the debacle this may turn into) you can expect it to be a monster, with live bands, Dj's, pole dancing and much more organisation.
I chatted with one of the organisers for this one the other day, and it seems that facebook has turned what was meant as a few people meeting up for a final hurrah into a monster.
our main concern is that a bunch of people who found out about it via the London Paper/facebook etc are going to come along and trash the trains etc. We always tried to promote the 'be responsible for yourselves and others' self organisation side of the parties (practical exercise in anarchism?). This looks much more like a bundle of students out to flashmob and get shit faced. I'm just hoping no-one gets hurt.
The hijacker parties always had weeks of planning etc, and were a fairly military affair (even if they looked completely chaotic). getting sound systems linked between train carriages etc isn't a simple job.
That said if a 10th anniversary party happens next year (depending on the debacle this may turn into) you can expect it to be a monster, with live bands, Dj's, pole dancing and much more organisation.
I chatted with one of the organisers for this one the other day, and it seems that facebook has turned what was meant as a few people meeting up for a final hurrah into a monster.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Well, because as I see it, this party is not much use as a political activity as it does very little to challenge anything. Of course, support anyone's right to demonstrate in whichever way they choose, but I think that this is pretty dull. "It becomes illegal to drink tomorrow, so let's drink today and that'll show 'em" or alternately "RIP drinking, let's get it out the way while we can". Either are positions that are depressingly futile and don't challenge the will of the lawmakers. The argument that it shows the will of the people is easily dismissed by the argument that this is a bunch of cowards unwilling to actually risk getting into trouble!
The spacehijackers, had they been involved, would have changed the script a bit because they normally put on a good and challenging show and might have had a little extra up their sleeves, politically speaking, that might have made a challenging point for participants to consider.
If that makes sense.
Because of the shoddy politics behind this decision, I feel that this party needs to have a political wing, not just a load of facebook twats looking for the next thing to bray about on their walls. I can't see myself making this, but if I do, then I'm going to have to print up a load of leaflets explaining why this new rule is pointless and should be challenged, rather than accepted. And to me, unless these parties continue after the rule is brought in, then they are implicitly accepting of the rule.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Is there any claim to a political dimension? As far as I can see there isn't one at all.
I can see why you'd prefer it if there was but it seems a bit pointless criticising it for doing badly something it's not aiming to do.
I can see why you'd prefer it if there was but it seems a bit pointless criticising it for doing badly something it's not aiming to do.
Bristly Pioneer
Anarchitect
couldn't agree more bluestreak.
if they were going to have a party it should have been a 'bollocks to the ban' party on the 1st not a "oh dear, nevermind" party on the last day.
if they were going to have a party it should have been a 'bollocks to the ban' party on the 1st not a "oh dear, nevermind" party on the last day.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Of course there's a political dimension, it's in response to a political action.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
But it's not a protest against it. Just because it's prompted by a political action doesn't make it a specifically political event.
Would wandering down to Camden to buy mushrooms just before they banned them be a political action?
ajdown
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It's not political at all, it's a win for people who just want to be able to travel on public transport safely.
Well overdue, if you ask me.
ajdown
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People who drink on public transport impact on others safety?
You don't know if someone swigging out of a can is on their first of the night, or 10th of the night. You don't know if they're able to handle their drink, or are going to throw up everywhere - and the swaying motion of the tube sure doesn't help.
When people have had alcohol - even just one can - their judgement and tolerances are affected (medically proven), so in the stress of the tube it's quite possible that someone will get more mouthy or start a fight - or pull a knife - once they've had a drink or three.
It's been said before, and it'll be said many times since - if you can't cope for half an hour without a drink whilst travelling on the tube, then you have a bigger problem than not being able to drink on the tube.
why does having a party help people to travel safely on the tube?
@ ajdown
It's entirely possible that people will do that anyway and you don't know anything (most notably how much they had to drink before they got on the tube) about tube strangers anyway... tbh your post sounds more like you have issues with the tube and people drinking in front of you makes you feel unsafe... likewise your inference that anyway who wants to drink on the tube must feel they need to drink on the tube probably says more about your own relationship to alcohol than that of the vast numbers of people you're generalising about.
It's entirely possible that people will do that anyway and you don't know anything (most notably how much they had to drink before they got on the tube) about tube strangers anyway... tbh your post sounds more like you have issues with the tube and people drinking in front of you makes you feel unsafe... likewise your inference that anyway who wants to drink on the tube must feel they need to drink on the tube probably says more about your own relationship to alcohol than that of the vast numbers of people you're generalising about.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
My quote was about the party, not the ban.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
This debate has been done to death elsewhere, in the London forum. It would be better kept off here IMO.
Ajdown really isn't worth the bother anyway.
ajdown
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It doesn't.
People are having a 'last drink' whilst they still legally can.
Then, once alcohol is removed from public transport, public safety improves because you don't have the problem any more of people drinking and potentially causing problems.
If people are already drunk, then hopefully they will be stopped from getting on the transport in the first place.
Alcohol and disorderly behaviour are all too prevalent in modern society, and it's about time the government cracked down on it.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
1. Yes, it does. Something doesn't have to be a protest to be a politically motivated action. It might be that the organisers themselves don't even think of it as a particularly political activity - more likely just another wacky flashmob. However it is a reaction to a political decision, and as such it is a political action.
2. If you called for everyone to do such a thing en masse as a group activity, then yes it would.
ah so you just misunderstood the thread then?
You really think (a) tube staff should be forced into this policing role or alternatively (b) it's a good use of police resources? Never mind the bizare assumption of a empirically demonstrable link between people drinking on public transport (banning people who are drunk from public transport is an absolute non-starter) and 'causing problems'.ajdown said:
People who are drunk shouldn't be allowed to use public transport? I suspect you haven't really thought through the relationship between easy available evening public transport & drink driving have you?
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
ajdown and others, can you take that to the appropriate thread, as it's an important discussion but will bog down this thread I reckon.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
You don't know if someone NOT swigging out of a can has had no drinks, some drinks etc though. Your arguement does not stand up.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I'm off out now so don't have time for the 'what is political' debate.
I still think though that even if you consider this a 'politcal' action in a broad sense it clearly isn't a demonstration, isn't intended to put pressure on anyone to change policy or 'challenge the lawmakers' or to 'show the will of the people', so to criticise ot for not doing those things is still pointless IMO.
Which isn't to say I don't think it looks a bit shit.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
I'm off out now so don't have time for the 'what is political' debate.
I still think though that even if you consider this a 'politcal' action in a broad sense it clearly isn't a demonstration, isn't intended to put pressure on anyone to change policy or 'challenge the lawmakers' or to 'show the will of the people', so to criticise ot for not doing those things is still pointless IMO.
Which isn't to say I don't think it looks a bit shit.
We'll have to agree to disagree then mate.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Hehe, I just caught myself arguing against bluestreak's criticisms and was pointing out that I still think it looks crap. Just not for the same reasons.
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