Keep fuckwits out of government!
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dilute micro
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What about conflicting scientific opinions?
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Starry Wisdom
what about opinions about other things?
TruXta
tired
What about them?
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Starry Wisdom
the only way to keep fuckwits out of government is to do the rational thing and abolish government.
dilute micro
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What makes you chose one over the other?
TruXta
tired
Lots of different reasons. Depends on why you have to make a choice in the first place and what it's meant to feed into policy-wise.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh, arsenal over spurs, stella over fosters, stolichnaya over smirnoff, and so on
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Starry Wisdom
right. can you show me any scientific basis for funding science courses in higher education but not arts ones - apart from self-interest of course.
dilute micro
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Those aren't 'scientific'.
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Starry Wisdom
yes, i know. not everything can be backed up with science, that's my point.
dilute micro
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They're just opinions at that point.
dilute micro
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Ah I didn't see your first post.
True, and even science will disagree so long as humans are doing the science.
TruXta
tired
If you're assuming that "scientific" equals "value-free", then that's a no go from the off. I could in principle show you why funding science over arts is good given a set of starting assumptions about what is more valuable and why, but those assumptions in themselves are not scientific in any meaningful sense of the word.
I recently noticed this blogpost, proposing the establishment of The Truth & Action Party.
One thing that caught my eye was 'Plank 2':
The sensible party. They'd get my vote.
Sadly, as the author admits:
But what we think is good is subjective - that's why you need ideology.
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Starry Wisdom
by scientific i mean something which is always true and can be demonstrated, eg strontium burns with a red flame, copper sulphate dissolved in water is blue, if i pour hydrochloric acid on nick griffin his face will melt. although this last can only be demonstrated a certain number of times.
dilute micro
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Not everything is cut and dry in science. Sometimes scientists want to believe their theory is correct and will do whatever it takes to keep it afloat. And the nature of the subject matter allow a bad theory to keep going.
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Starry Wisdom
in other words this so-called solution in the op is no such thing
dilute micro
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Which is why I asked about conflicting scientific opinions.
Even an incorrect theory can sound believable at times.
TruXta
tired
It's a solution for certain policy matters. I'm not advocating scientism as a political ideology, mind you.
dilute micro
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Then it's a matter of which statisticians you hire and their political loyalties.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Who hires?
dilute micro
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exactly...and so on and so on.
TruXta
tired
Would you hire a statistician butchers?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
To analyse or produce some stats? Sure.
TruXta
tired
How would you go about making sure the data from which the stats are made are useful and not too biased?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I wouldn't.
Are you making the mistake of thinking i'm endorsing the laughable idea in the OP? I'm really not.
TruXta
tired
No, I'm genuinely interested.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why? I'm not. What a bizarre tangent.
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