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July 2005 London bomb blasts: UPDATES AND NEWS ONLY - NO DISCUSSION

Stobart Stopper said:
10 pounds of explosives would fit into a biscuit tin. Or a back pack.

A back pack being slightly larger to accomodate the detonation device than a biscuit tin, when discussing 10lbs of HE.
 
I have just met a very dear and old friend who was on the tube next to the tube that had the bomb on Edgware Road. He has no hearing in one ear but is ok. This was what he told me

We heard a massive explosion, everyone knew it was a bomb there was no question of that. The two tubes were just about to pass each other and the bomb went off just a second before the two trains would have passed. If it had been a second later I know I would be dead. I was right at the front we could not get to the driver and thought he was dead. In the end we got to him and he was not making any sense. All the windows had shattered but stayed in place on our train. The other tube was ripped to pieces the doors were gone. There was a man laying right under the train I have no idea how he got there he was screaming help me then he went quite. I do not know but I'm sure he died. We had to wait 20 minutes because we could not walk on the line. Walking back there was bodies but everyone kept it together and did not panic. It was amazing we just wanted to get out but there was no panic. I felt so happy and also very guilty.

I thank god he's ok my thoughts are with all the people who were not as lucky

x
 
coventrycityfan said:
BBC reporting Full tube services won't be restored for weeks now

Just to add to this, and just in case anyone isn't quite clear which parts of the tube are affected, this is what I was sent this afternoon from Transport for London :

Transport for London said:
I am writing to let you know that Tube services are now running on most lines, although you may experience some delays.

Due to the nature of the incidents, the following lines are still affected:

Piccadilly line: No service between Hyde Park Corner and Arnos Grove, or Uxbridge and Rayners Lane.

Special bus services will operate from today, until further notice, between Arnos Grove and Finchley Central. And from tomorrow, until further notice, from Bounds Green, Wood Green, Turnpike Lane to Seven Sisters station. We will also increase the frequency of the 91 bus between the Nag's Head in Holloway and Euston.

Circle and Hammersmith & City line: No service.

Metropolitan line: No service between Baker Street and Aldgate. From tomorrow the Metropolitan line will run through to Moorgate.

District line: No service between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road.

King's Cross St Pancras station is also closed.

During this time we appreciate your patience and vigilance. Please be aware that we are working to restore suspended services to full, safe operation as quickly as possible.

For further information on alternative travel options, please visit Journey Planner:
http://pull.xmr3.com/p/48637-162289-F1AE/5549534/http-www.tfl.gov.uk-journeyplanner.html

Same message is probably on the TfL site ...
 
And for anyone who remembers my post yesterday about a girl I work with who was on the bus I have just received this

Dear all,



I am just about to jump into a taxi to meet ******* mum at the airport and I thought I’d give you an update on her condition.



She is undergoing surgery at the moment, and the team or surgeons will be removing bits of metal, glass and possibly plastic from her wounds. Her face is not too badly affected, but she seems to have a rather deep hole in her left hand and just below her left knee. She may need plastic surgery, if this is the case, she will undergo more surgery on Sunday.

The French embassy have been extremely supportive, they are flying in a therapist to talk to the families and injured people. The medical staff and police detectives have also been extremely helpful, kind, and gentle with her, so she is not feeling too distressed (on the surface).

I'm so happy she will be ok
 
Thank you for the update on your colleague, liberty. I had been wondering how she was getting on.

Major Tom said:
I wouldn't rely on everything being reported. Ever heard of D-notices?
Worth repeating, I think.
 
The official line was no more than 10lbs of explosives. It could have been a lot less, particularly if it was powerful (e.g. military) explosives - 10lbs is a measure of force not necessarily a weight. I suppose it could have been a carrier bag or even a soft drink can - no-one is going to notice that in a busy bus or tube. The first few things they'll be able to find out are how it worked and what is was wrapped in.
 
well red said:
I suppose it could have been a carrier bag or even a soft drink can
How many discarded bags and cans do we all see on the tubes and buses every day? Shit loads. Hopefully people will take their rubbish with them from now on!
 
just reading BBC's reporters log they are saying about MI5 and their investigation.
It appears to me that the Bombers who did this may have survived and i just pray if they are no more explosives are on them, the police are describing it as 'high esplosives'
 
Christian Man said:
Why do terrorists seem to always target left wing cities? e.g. new york, london

I'm not sure there are many big cities that aren't "left-wing". :confused:

Large cities are for the most part always more liberal.
 
well red said:
The official line was no more than 10lbs of explosives. It could have been a lot less, particularly if it was powerful (e.g. military) explosives - 10lbs is a measure of force not necessarily a weight.

Wrong. They're talking about mass: "less than 4.5kg".

And if it was Semtex, that'd be 3.2 litres; other plastique will have very similar density.
 
laptop said:
Wrong. They're talking about mass: "less than 4.5kg".

And if it was Semtex, that'd be 3.2 litres; other plastique will have very similar density.

one day i'm going to find a subject you know NOTHING about, damn you :)
 
Although, the police are also saying that they still can't be sure it was a suicide bomb and that it looks increasingly likely that it might not be. The only people who know for sure at the moment are sadly not around. :(
 
Magneze said:
Although, the police are also saying that they still can't be sure it was a suicide bomb and that it looks increasingly likely that it might not be. The only people who know for sure at the moment are sadly not around. :(
I know this isn't the right thread, but I've been musing about how easy it would be to leave a rucksack on a crowded rush hour tube train and leave the train. Nobody would really be sure who's rucksack it is, and besides what can they do once the doors shut and the train moves on?
 
I totally agree and if the bomb is as small as some are saying (drinks can or similar) then the same is true of a bus.
 
Loki said:
I bet laptop knows nothing about M-theory ;)

Which M-theory is that? The 10- or 11-dimensional space-time (that's not as elegant as quantum loop gravity), or the one I know nothing about? :)
 
Of course there is actually no firm evidence of that as yet. Although how he said the bombers wanted to destroy the "very essence of our society" on a similar lack of evidence is a bit stupid.
 
Loki said:
Meanwhile Charles Clarke is busy denying that this attack had anything to do with Blair's help in invading Iraq - link
Interestingly Galloway was mentioned, him making his statement has allowed journalists to pursue this angle so atleast he's served some purpose...
 
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