Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[frogwoman]

Im going to the PSC tonight, someone who was driving an aid convoy to gaza last year was going to be there.

 

[editor]

The fuckers stole the laptops of the people on the boats.

 

[frogwoman]

Cunts.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The fuckers stole the laptops of the people on the boats.

Good odds Aman (Israeli military intelligence) will "find" plenty of incriminating "evidence" on those 'puters too, because they'll put it on the hard drives themselves.

 

[agricola]

You people really should give Israel far more credit for lifting the blockade - they are now allowing potentially dangerous dual-use stuff in:

The new Israeli-approved product list reportedly includes all food items, toys, stationery, kitchen utensils, mattresses and towels.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10338199.stm

 

[frogwoman]

yeah but there's no debating with anti-semites

 

[danny la rouge]

The new Israeli-approved product list reportedly includes all food items, toys, stationery, kitchen utensils, mattresses and towels.

Yes, the Gazans can now write about the building supplies they'd need in order to build the kitchens to use the utensils in.

 

[frogwoman]

Yes, the Gazans can now write about the building supplies they'd need in order to build the kitchens to use the utensils in.

You're not really getting into the spirit of things im afraid danny, you're meant to say that this shows that israel isn't that bad really, and that the gazans are actually living a life of riley

 

[danny la rouge]

You're not really getting into the spirit of things im afraid danny, you're meant to say that this shows that israel isn't that bad really, and that the gazans are actually living a life of riley

Sorry, my anti-Semitism was poking out again.

 

[agricola]

Sorry, my anti-Semitism was poking out again.

like a spatula, a pen or a rolled-up towel

 

[danny la rouge]

like a spatula, a pen or a rolled-up towel

Matron.

 

[dylans]

I'm not sure I could name you a "legitimate Israeli target" anywhere on the planet if we're talking about the legitimacy for you to attack them.



Come on then Red Rambo, what's a "legitimate Israeli target" and how would you 'take it out', maaan?

Looking through this thread I saw this and couldn't resist.

Legitimate Israeli target?

In my dreams and in my prayers. Champagne would be opened, glasses emptied and oh what a night we shall have if that fucking bastard gets a bullet through the temple.

 

[rekil]

People like you manned the furnaces,

On top of everything else, you're just betraying your ignorance of the holocaust. The furnaces were manned by camp inmates, not cackling nazis. All the camps' grisly tasks bar the actual killings were performed by camp inmates. Like anyone else selected to be sonderkommando members, they had little choice in the matter. It was either that, suicide or execution.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Looking through this thread I saw this and couldn't resist.

Legitimate Israeli target?

In my dreams and in my prayers. Champagne would be opened, glasses emptied and oh what a night we shall have if that fucking bastard gets a bullet through the temple.

Personally, I'd like to see Bibi given a kicking merely for the way he's constantly played on his brother's "sacrifice" to further his politics. Jonathan Netanyahu had a modicum of honour. Fat Benny has none.

 

[butchersapron]

Quick point on the 'easing' of the blockade

Netanyahu sought to differentiate between a “civilian closure” of Gaza and a “security closure”. He declared last Sunday: “The security closure will be tightened from now on.” He repeated this to a Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee on Monday, explaining that the cabinet decision “intensifies the security blockade”. This amounts to an ominous threat against the Palestinian people, who are yet to recover from Israel’s indiscriminate three-week bombardment during the 2008-09 “Operation Cast Lead,” which was also publicly justified in the name of “security”.

 

[frogwoman]

Ugh.

 

[butchersapron]

Remember how unsuitable by nature of their pro-Israeli stance the foreign participants in the inquiry were? Well, Amos Horev one of the Israeli panelists has something of a naughty past beyond the usual (IDF general/links with the Israeli defence industry etc) as well. 70 years ago he castrated a Palestinian in a blood vengeance. Does this sound like someone overly concerned with legal niceties? With respecting law?

Story

Original Tom Segev article here

 

[gavman]

its better than blowing up a tube train

well said

 

[gavman]

aye - dont wanna give em ideas

'pray they are that stupid'

 

[cesare]

Today's response from Nick Clegg's office to my email last month:

Many thanks for emailing Nick Clegg about the interception by Israeli forces of a flotilla of vessels carrying aid to Gaza. I’m replying to letters and emails on Nick’s behalf. I am sorry for the delay in responding and I hope you will understand that, due to the sheer volume of correspondence which Nick receives, it can take some time for us to reply.



The Government was very clear in its disapproval of the Israeli actions which ended in such heavy and tragic loss of life. You may also be interested to know that on the day after the interception, Nick himself called for the “unjustified and untenable” blockade of Gaza to be lifted.



First and foremost, the Government needed to make sure of the safety of the British nationals who were involved. We immediately pressed Israel to provide full information on British nationals detained during their operation. This was made more difficult by the fact that many of those on board the boats did not have passports. However, British consular staff visited the prison where the flotilla passengers were being detained, provided consular support to British detainees and pressed for their release at the earliest possible opportunity. At the time of writing, all except one dual Israeli-British involved have left the country. The one dual national was released to their family in Israel.



We have underlined the need for a full, credible, impartial and independent investigation into the events of 31 May. We have made clear that we want to see a process that ensures full accountability and commands the confidence of the international community, including international participation.



Israel's announcement of an inquiry headed by former Supreme Court judge Yaakov Tirkel is an important step forward. We welcome the appointment of Lord Trimble as an international observer. Clearly it is very important that this is a truly independent inquiry and a thorough investigation that the international community can respect.



These events have captured the world’s attention, but they should not be viewed in isolation. They arose from the unacceptable and unsustainable blockade of Gaza, which is a cause of public concern here in the United Kingdom and around the world. It has long been the view of the Government that restrictions on Gaza should be lifted – a view confirmed by UN Security Council Resolution 1860, which called for the sustained delivery of humanitarian aid and called on states to alleviate the humanitarian and economic situation persisting there.



It is essential that there is unfettered access – not only to meet the humanitarian needs of the people of Gaza, but to enable the reconstruction of homes and livelihoods and permit trade to take place. The Palestinian economy, whether in Gaza or the West Bank, is an essential part of a viable state of Palestine which we hope will one day exist alongside Israel in peace and security.



A solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict is firmly in the national interests of the UK, as well as those in the region. We want the new generation of Palestinians to grow up in hope, not despair, and believing in a peaceful settlement with Israel, not impoverished and susceptible to terrorist recruitment. We want the next generation of Israelis to live free from the fear of rocket fire and able to enjoy peaceful relations with their Arab neighbours. Whilst we cannot deliver this for either side ourselves, as friends to both Israelis and Palestinians we will seek to buttress the diplomatic initiative of President Obama’s Administration and the proximity talks that are underway.



Thank you once again for emailing.



Best wishes,



Bess Mayhew

Office of Nick Clegg MP

 

[butchersapron]

Israel's announcement of an inquiry headed by former Supreme Court judge Yaakov Tirkel is an important step forward. We welcome the appointment of Lord Trimble as an international observer. Clearly it is very important that this is a truly independent inquiry and a thorough investigation that the international community can respect.

See posts immediately above.

we will seek to buttress the diplomatic initiative of President Obama’s Administration and the proximity talks that are underway.

Nowt

 

[Knotted]

The forensic report from Turkey is out.

Yasin Dıvrak, a lawyer for MAZLUM-DER, said the autopsy reports prepared by the Council of Forensic Medicine (ATK) proved that Israeli soldiers, contrary to their claims of self-defense, aimed to kill and started to shoot even before descending onto the Mavi Marmara, which was carrying humanitarian aid to the under-siege Gaza on May 31.

 

[DexterTCN]

I received a letter this morning from the House of Commons. It was unsolicited and in two parts -

Part one - yellow HoC letter from Graeme Morrice MP

Dear Dex
Israeli Gorvernment and the Gaza Flotilla

Further to our recent email correspondence about the above issue, I have now had a response from the Secretary of State at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and a copy is enclosed for your information.

Obviously, we would have preferred a fully independent inquiry under UN jurisdiction: however we will need to await the outcome of the inquiry under the Supreme Court judge to see if it gets to the heart of the issue.

I welcome the continued backing that the UK govt is giving to achieving a peaceful and lasting settlement (sic) to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict and also welcome the continued support by the UK govt for the restrictions to be lifted.

I can assure you that I will continue to watch developments in the Middle East closely and hope that this long lasting conflict can be brought to a peaceful and just end.....

The second letter is a longer document, too long to type just now, from the Minister at the FCO Adam Burt.

...A solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict is firmly in the national interests of the UK....as friends to both we will seek to buttress the diplomatic initiative of President Obama's Administration and the proximity talks that are underway....strong supporters of a future Palestinian state while actively exploring with our European partners the scope for further EU action.

The FCO letter also outlines £26 million in UK aid pledged to Gaza and discusses Resolution 1860, security, trade and the 'unacceptable and unsustainable situation in Gaza'.

 

[audiotech]

Christopher Hitchen's being controversial here, but interesting nonetheless.

http://fora.tv/2010/06/04/Christoph...stopher_Hitchens_on_the_Israeli_Flotilla_Raid

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Christopher Hitchen's being controversial here, but interesting nonetheless.

http://fora.tv/2010/06/04/Christoph...stopher_Hitchens_on_the_Israeli_Flotilla_Raid

Islamophobic gesture, clearly, as demonstrated by his Biblical-narrative fallacy.

 

[audiotech]

Islamophobic gesture, clearly, as demonstrated by his Biblical-narrative fallacy.

Terry Eagleton has a dig at Christopher Hitchens here:

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Terry Eagleton has a dig at Christopher Hitchens here:

thanks... (he's had a few of those - that's not a great example tbh).

i just meant that hitchens' comment in that last video is really stupid ...probably because he actually has very little to say about israel/palestine. but w/e.

 

[sihhi]

Christopher Hitchen's being controversial here, but interesting nonetheless.

http://fora.tv/2010/06/04/Christoph...stopher_Hitchens_on_the_Israeli_Flotilla_Raid

His comments are just beside the point or lies about being an advanced guard of Hamas.

The dead are being remembered in certain ways - lots of this kind of thing 'honouring martyrs'

and streets have now been named after them

http://www.haberayna.com/Gundem-Isimleri-yasatilacak_45113.html

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Netanyahu "an advocate for peace" claims utter fucking cunt:

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news...of-direct-peace-talks-during-herzliya-speech/

 

[dylans]

Netanyahu "an advocate for peace" claims utter fucking cunt:

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news...of-direct-peace-talks-during-herzliya-speech/

"Delegitimiser" is the new Hasbara catch word, conceived and polished as an addition to the well worn cry of "anti semitism" to every criticism of the occupation. Tony has obviously got the memo.

It's all smoke and mirrors to cover one indisputable fact. The occupation is illegal. It's not debatable or controversial. It's not "alleged" or "so called" . It's not a matter for negotiation or debate. It is illegal by every standard of international law. All the rest is just excuses for war crimes. Something Tony should be good at by now