Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.

[frogwoman]

Because Palestinians aren't allowed into Israel for a holiday. They aren't even allowed to use Tel Aviv airport. There is also a ban on Palestinians marrying Israelis afaik.

 

[danny la rouge]

Why not?

http://www.divestmentproject.org/apartheid_laws.shtml

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Israel needs to learn a tough lesson to be honest, it's about time we stopped treating them with kid gloves.

 

[frogwoman]

There are even settler-only roads that Palestinians aren't allowed to use.

 

[Diamond]

So now you are reduced to simply posting unadulterated Israeli propaganda on the site. Have a look around, maybe you can tell us about the luxury swimming pools etc.

What are you on about?

You think I condone that?

Talk about hysterical.

 

[dylans]

What are you on about?

You think I condone that?

Talk about hysterical.

you posted it (without explanation)

The Israeli government has apologised after its press office emailed to journalists a spoof video about the flotilla which tried to dock in Gaza.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10253357.stm

 

[danny la rouge]

you posted it (without explanation)

He did say it'd get blood boiling. (I haven't watched it yet, since I'm at work).

 

[Diamond]

you posted it (without explanation)

I think you'll find I accompanied it with a sentence of explanation implying that it was the kind of video that angers people.

 

[dylans]

I think you'll find I accompanied it with a sentence of explanation implying that it was the kind of video that angers people.

Bollocks did you.

 

[Diamond]

Bollocks did you.

Look, I know you've got a passion for ignoring the facts and imagining motives but the post is only one page back so you do yourself a real disservice by simply ignoring it and blundering on.

 

[danny la rouge]

Bollocks did you.

He said this:

A little insight into Israeli opinion on the matter (likely to raise your blood pressure):

/kofi

 

[dylans]

Diamond you are posting Israeli propaganda. Fine if you want to do that but you should label it as such.

 

[Diamond]

Diamond you are posting Israeli propaganda. Fine if you want to do that but you should label it as such.

I did.

This is bloody stupid, I'm off.

 

[danny la rouge]

Diamond you are posting Israeli propaganda. Fine if you want to do that but you should label it as such.

Dylans, you need to wind in on this one. He was quite clear. He said it was an insight into Israeli opinion, and that it was likely to raise ones blood pressure. I think that was clear enough, personally. I know I've posted things in those kind of circumstances.

 

[dylans]

Dylans, you need to wind in on this one. He was quite clear. He said it was an insight into Israeli opinion, and that it was likely to raise ones blood pressure. I think that was clear enough, personally. I know I've posted things in those kind of circumstances.

But Didi Remez, an Israeli who runs the liberal-left news analysis blog Coteret, said the clip was “repulsive” and reflected how out of touch Israeli opinion was with the rest of the world. “It shows a complete lack of understanding of how the incident is being perceived abroad,” he said. Award-winning Israeli journalist Meron Rapoport said the clip demonstrated prejudice against Muslims. “It’s roughly done, not very sophisticated, anti-Muslim – and childish for the government to be behind such a clip,” he said.
A similar press office email was sent to foreign journalists two weeks ago, recommending a gourmet restaurant and Olympic-sized swimming pool in Gaza to highlight Israel’s claim there is no humanitarian crisis there. Journalists who complained the email was in poor taste were told they had “no sense of humour”.
Last week, the Israel Defence Force had to issue a retraction over an audio clip it had claimed was a conversation between Israeli naval officials and people on the Mavi Marmara, in which an activist told soldiers to “go back to Auschwitz”. The clip was carried by Israeli and international press, but today the army released a “clarification/correction”, explaining that it had edited the footage and that it was not clear who had made the comment.

Propaganda . Hasbara produced and distributed by the Israeli Government.
http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/propaganda/

Now be clear. I have no problem with people posting Israeli government propaganda. It's interesting and gives an insight to the mindset of Israeli propaganda machine but to do so without clearly labelling it ISRAELI GOVERNMENT PRODUCED PROPAGANDA is dishonest. (and no merely saying it might raise blood pressure and it was an insight into Israeli public opinion did not make that clear at all) . In fact it gave the impression that it was produced and distributed by ordinary Israeli's not Israeli intelligence.

 

[ymu]

Why not?

Because Palestinians are not allowed into Israel and Palestinian spouses of Israelis are not allowed to live with them in Israel.

It's called apartheid.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, it didn't seem dishonest to me, dylans.

 

[Knotted]

Or me.

 

[dylans]

Well, it didn't seem dishonest to me, dylans.

We will have to agree to disagree. Either way there is no harm in pointing out that the link he posted was produced and distributed by Israeli intelligence. That's all.

 

[danny la rouge]

We will have to agree to disagree. Either way there is no harm in pointing out that the link he posted was produced and distributed by Israeli intelligence. That's all.

No harm in that at all, no.

 

[Spymaster]

http://www.divestmentproject.org/apartheid_laws.shtml

Cheers. Didn't know about that.

Cuntish isn't it?

 

[the button]

Not strictly on-topic (but I think we're past that now ): -

Israel - PNN - Members of the Israeli Knesset introduced a bill to hit back against the Palestinian campaign to boycott settlement products. If passed, the bill would mandate that money due to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority from Israel would instead be sent to settlements as compensation for economic losses inflicted by the boycott.

Under the bill, Israeli citizens would be prohibited from aiding or encouraging the boycott. If a citizen is caught supporting the boycott they would be responsible for paying damages to those hurt by the boycott.

If non citizens are caught supporting the boycott they would be banned from entering the country for ten years. Foreign entities, such as corporations, would be banned from using Israeli bank accounts, stocks, or land it they participate in the boycott.

The bill was introduced by 25 Knesset members from various parties with support from the Land of Israel Lobby. According to its supporters, the bill aims to "protect the State of Israel in general and its citizens in particular against academic, economic, and other boycotts."

The bill is a response to the Palestinian boycott initiative called House-to-House that is being promoted by the Palestinian National Pride Fund.

The boycott initiative encourages Palestinians to stop buying products made in Israeli settlements because the settlement are illegal under international law. Settlements are also a major stumbling block to peace and the creation of a Palestinian state. Palestinians consume $500 million in settlement products each year.

The divestment campaign has been endorsed by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8315

 

[danny la rouge]

Cheers. Didn't know about that.

Cuntish isn't it?

Utterly. This is why people get cross.

 

[frogwoman]

Not strictly on-topic (but I think we're past that now ): -



http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8315

Jesus wept! How on earth would they ascertain if somebody had been participating in the boycott? Would they have to inspect their shopping trolleys at supermarket checkouts?

 

[agricola]

Not strictly on-topic (but I think we're past that now )

Profoundly daft. How on earth would they determine if a non-Israeli citizen had supported a boycott?

 

[danny la rouge]

Jesus wept! How on earth would they ascertain if somebody had been participating in the boycott? Would they have to inspect their shopping trolleys at supermarket checkouts?

They've passed the tipping point and lunged into the ravine, haven't they? It's Kafka-esque.

 

[the button]

Profoundly daft. How on earth would they determine if a non-Israeli citizen had supported a boycott?

I would quite happily write to them and tell them. In fact, I think that -- if this bill becomes law -- millions of people around the world should hand themselves in for this offence. Individually. In writing. At the same time.

 

[frogwoman]

They'd call the police if the shopping trolley didn't have at least one settlement product in it.

"Help! Police!"
"What's wrong?"
"This person hasn't brought any products from the west bank! We think he's participating in the boycott!"
"OK, we'll be round right away!"

 

[Belushi]

Only an anti-semite doesnt buy Jaffa Oranges

 

[ymu]

Profoundly daft. How on earth would they determine if a non-Israeli citizen had supported a boycott?

It prevents people from promoting the boycott, and pre-deports anyone promoting it abroad.

The US have had a law preventing companies from boycotting Israel for some time, IIRC.