Is Corbyn capable of winning a general election?
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Fozzie Bear
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How are people supposed to vote for him if they live outside of Islington North?
Louis MacNeice
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It's all about leadership Fozzie. With the right leader anything is possible.
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Of course he is. It is just a question of people voting for him. The massive expansion of the membership gives that away.
quimcunx
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He's been winning in GEs since 1983. Other labour MPs have not been so fortunate, however.
I suppose the crux is the marginal constituencies, rather than current labour strongholds, but with the media, the PLP and the membership behind I think he could yes. Of course the media and the PLP are not behind him (except for backstabbing purposes) and doing everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen. I doubt enough of the electorate would be able to resist the constant onslaught of smears and negative stories to vote for him in big enough numbers in the right places.
I suppose the crux is the marginal constituencies, rather than current labour strongholds, but with the media, the PLP and the membership behind I think he could yes. Of course the media and the PLP are not behind him (except for backstabbing purposes) and doing everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen. I doubt enough of the electorate would be able to resist the constant onslaught of smears and negative stories to vote for him in big enough numbers in the right places.
Pickman's model
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But what do you think?
krtek a houby
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Yes. Although that does depend on who you're talking to/listening to.
Pickman's model
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What I like about these threads is the way it reveals who the wrong uns are here
Brainaddict
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The establishment have done so much damage with privatisation and austerity and free trade that they are having trouble maintaining their usual narratives, as the two recent referenda have shown. If you throw in an upset for the Tories, like a house price crash, I think it quite likely people could vote for someone who is seen as an anti-establishment candidate.
That said, the record and even Jezza's friends, seem to suggest he wouldn't know a decent media strategy if it bit him on the arse, so he does also seem capable of throwing away such an opportunity.
That said, the record and even Jezza's friends, seem to suggest he wouldn't know a decent media strategy if it bit him on the arse, so he does also seem capable of throwing away such an opportunity.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Indeed - he's the 11th most electorally successful sitting labour MP.
Yes he can win, I vote.
As already said, it be mad to think a Corbyn victory is unimaginable.
And also as already said, because of the anything can happen factor, and because the Tories can quite easily fuck things up for themselves factor.
But I also think it's quite unlikely that he'll win.
I have the same reservations others have expressed. He's fighting against too many opposing forces, not least his own MPs -- but not just them.
And I suspect too few of the undecided electorate in the key battlegrounds are immune from media and Tory smears.
I'm also unconvinced (for now) that Labour have a good enough strategy to counter UKIP.
As already said, it be mad to think a Corbyn victory is unimaginable.
And also as already said, because of the anything can happen factor, and because the Tories can quite easily fuck things up for themselves factor.
But I also think it's quite unlikely that he'll win.
I have the same reservations others have expressed. He's fighting against too many opposing forces, not least his own MPs -- but not just them.
And I suspect too few of the undecided electorate in the key battlegrounds are immune from media and Tory smears.
I'm also unconvinced (for now) that Labour have a good enough strategy to counter UKIP.
Louis MacNeice
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D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Nope - i think he is probably the soundest politician to lead a party for years, but that doesn't make him electable. We (as a nation) like our leaders to have gravitas and charisma and something of the statesman/woman about them. And as much as i love Jezza, he is seen as a grumpy old scruffy pinko by a lot of the population, spurred on by the hateful media.
We need a Justin Trudeau, that'll lead Labour to a glorious victory.
We need a Justin Trudeau, that'll lead Labour to a glorious victory.
fuck seals
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does thinking he can't win a GE make one a wrong 'un?
Pickman's model
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If the cap fits...
Louis MacNeice
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fuck seals
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i think i'm asking if it's even a cap...
corbyn is not the messiah, imo. altho he has the beard for it. i just cannot see him winning.
Pickman's model
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no he's not the messiah. this is not a thread asking if he is the messiah.
fuck seals
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No thinking elections matter is what makes you a wrong'un.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
there are many other far more interesting reasons that make me a wrong 'un.
the question was framed in terms of elections. one could assume that the poll author is guilty of your charge, not the respondents.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
clem the gem says otherwise lol
fuck seals
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or indeed any generic prophet.
it's a thread asking about his capability to win elections. on this much we agree. and on this i'm curious: how does supposing he cannot make someone a wrong 'un?
Pickman's model
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you didn't just vote 'corbyn can't win elections' tho did you.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The question surely is if labour can win a general election. The problem is the labour party and the relationships it has chosen to develop with both its core traditional vote and the wider working class that are subject to the effects of the policies that it chose to pursue when placed in the wider conditions of massively increased global capital mobility the death of the fordist model of social organisation etc. The idea that this is down to one person or any simplistic derivatives such as charisma - or could be fixed via one person is utter nonsense.
Pickman's model
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yeh but for a diamond poll it's better than you might expect.
fuck seals
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quite so. and i think i would find it hard to vote for JC. full disclosure: i'm a lab voter & always have been, and a mostly paid-up party member. i cannot blindly vote for a leader i do not believe in however.
Not really.
Whether someone is capable of doing something requires something more than a simple possibility.
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