Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[DexterTCN]

No, Labour would demand an A50 extension. Why would they not?

Well they couldn't demand fuck all tbf.

 

[Mr Moose]

I can't link to a memory, soz

Famously you can’t put your arms around one either.

 

[Raheem]

Well they couldn't demand fuck all tbf.

You mean because they're over-polite, or because May's self-assured control of events leaves them scrambling in her wake?

Whatever happens is likely to require Labour votes, so, when it comes down to it, they will be in a position to make demands.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Paul Mason on why Lexit in current form is bunk

Brexit: Labour must let its members decide its next step

 

[Wilf]

Paul Mason on why Lexit in current form is bunk

Brexit: Labour must let its members decide its next step

He's right that no lexit exists or is likely to exist in the near future, but there looks to be a lot of liberal-masquerading-as-leftist piffle going on in there (at least on my slightly drunken speed read). But the bit he's right about is mobilising the labour and trade union movement, regardless of what he wants to mobilise it for. It's never occurred to Corbyn that the organised working class and/or labour movement could become active players in the Brexit thing - or indeed anything. If Corbyn thought there was at the very least a workers friendly Brexit, he could have at least thought that.

 

[CRI]

Any idea who's really footing the bill for this expensive Facebook ad campaign that's currently targeting people 35 plus (seemingly more men in the 35-54 range for most) in Labour held constituencies in England?

Can't imagine Tim Dawson's able to raise that much lolly through a Paypal button on the Britains Future website. They already spent more than £21K on Facebook ads in early December, so they do seem to have quite a fat wallet for such a small operation.

 

[free spirit]

When did the Norse prime minister rule out the UK joining the efta btw free spirit? It says here they'd welcome us: Norway for now—or never?

It was a couple of days ago, Theresa May's been up there and the Norwegian PM was gave an interview dismissing the idea of the UK joining the EEA and / or EFTA as not in Norway's interests.

I can't find the full interview now, but the Mail reported on it briefly "Norway premier Erna Solberg dismissed idea of Britain temporarily joining EEA"

 

[NoXion]

Any idea who's really footing the bill for this expensive Facebook ad campaign that's currently targeting people 35 plus (seemingly more men in the 35-54 range for most) in Labour held constituencies in England?

Can't imagine Tim Dawson's able to raise that much lolly through a Paypal button on the Britains Future website. They already spent more than £21K on Facebook ads in early December, so they do seem to have quite a fat wallet for such a small operation.

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Oh my god. People saw these, and might have actually considered writing to their MPs?! Whatever sordid attack on our fine democracy will they think of next? I bet the Russians are behind this!

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

a shouty septogenatian with Parkies

Pointless dig of the day:

Who THE FUCK shortens Parkinson’s to “Parkies”

Cheers.
HC

 

[Raheem]

Oh my god. People saw these, and might have actually considered writing to their MPs?! Whatever sordid attack on our fine democracy will they think of next? I bet the Russians are behind this!

Only the Russians would have the cunning to think of bombarding Dennis Skinner with emails. They've found our national weak-spot! We're done for!

All the same, someone is paying for these ads, and the fact that we're not allowed to know who isn't really just one of those things.

 

[killer b]

It was a couple of days ago, Theresa May's been up there and the Norwegian PM was gave an interview dismissing the idea of the UK joining the EEA and / or EFTA as not in Norway's interests.

I can't find the full interview now, but the Mail reported on it briefly "Norway premier Erna Solberg dismissed idea of Britain temporarily joining EEA"

the key word there is 'temporarily'

 

[andysays]

I can't see much chance of the UK negotiating this suggested Norway plus/membership of EEA deal, whether temporary or permanent, before the exit date in ten weeks time, especially given the government's record over the previous few years.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not sure a shouty septogenatian with Parkies and a walking stick is quite on a par with these much louder, much bigger, much younger men who gathered in numbers to target these MPs and journos.

And if Bone had spat at the Queen, he would havr been arrested and charged with assault as that's against the law, the same as causing fear distress to Soubry would be against the law.

Harassment laws have been woefully misused since the 80s...this would at last be a justifiable use of it.

Fuck me you're stupid.

Ian wasn't seventy at the time. Nor sixty. It was about fucking twenty years ago. It's like you're dougal out of father Ted only stupider and without his charm,

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Any Norway style deal will involve free movement, which as well as being one of May’s red lines, really would be the thing to get the rabble roused, can’t see that happening at all.

 

[killer b]

It certainly isn't without it's issues. But i reckon that's where we're headed eventually. 'The rabble' are already roused, and will be roused with whatever deal they eventually light upon.

 

[Mr Moose]

Any Norway style deal will involve free movement, which as well as being one of May’s red lines, really would be the thing to get the rabble roused, can’t see that happening at all.

Yeah, but how many Leave voters would be politically active about it? Many would settle for Leaving pretty much in name and never hearing about it again.

Some people would make a noise, but unless the Tory right can come to govern not a lot will happen.

Brexit was never going to change anything for anyone. The comfortable in the shires who voted for it in droves will continue to be xenophobic, but comfortable. The left behind won’t get housed in anything decent. The latter are just as likely to conclude Brexit was a sell out as much as it was sold out.

 

[Teaboy]

Any Norway style deal will involve free movement, which as well as being one of May’s red lines, really would be the thing to get the rabble roused, can’t see that happening at all.

Which is why May would have to go first. TBH, I was thinking about this lat night and all roads seem to lead to that general conclusion, for anything to get resolved May really has to go either just her or her whole wretched Government. Thing is she seems determined to hang in there till Brexit is achieved even if it kills her.

I worked for a Norwegian company a few years back and I'm not sure how great a deal it is they have tbh. It made protecting their own businesses a lot easier through high import tariffs but exporting was very difficult but this was in part due to the high cost of production in Norway. It was also a total pain getting stuff shipped over from Norway as it kept on getting stuck in customs. Norwegians I spoke with thought they had a shot deal but then again these were senior business types and not exactly Johann Bloggs so not representative.

 

[ska invita]

Which is why May would have to go first. TBH, I was thinking about this lat night and all roads seem to lead to that general conclusion, for anything to get resolved May really has to go either just her or her whole wretched Government. Thing is she seems determined to hang in there till Brexit is achieved even if it kills her.

thing is the tory party membership have a final vote as to who replaces her, and they're going to vote for a no-free-movement brexiter.
which leads towards the possiblity of a general election next
amongst all the other possibilities

 

[brogdale]

thing is the tory party membership have a final vote as to who replaces her, and they're going to vote for a no-free-movement brexiter.
which leads towards the possiblity of a general election next
amongst all the other possibilities

But it's the PCP that are the 'gatekeepers' of which 2 candidates are put to the membership; whether they'd get the 'no-free' option is highly questionable; they after all the party of capital.

 

[Teaboy]

Does anyone believe that a general election would actually solve anything?

 

[brogdale]

Does anyone believe that a general election would actually solve anything?

Depends on the result, doesn't it?

 

[Teaboy]

Depends on the result, doesn't it?

Elections usually do.

ETA: Sorry for being a bit glib, no coffee yet this morning etc.

I think what I'm trying to ask if does anyone see an election being decisive for either party and then them actually managing to get their Brexit strategy (assuming they actually have one) through Parliament?

 

[brogdale]

Elections usually do.

Exactly why your question was redundant.

 

[ska invita]

Elections usually do.

ETA: Sorry for being a bit glib, no coffee yet this morning etc.

I think what I'm trying to ask if does anyone see an election being decisive for either party and then them actually managing to get their Brexit strategy (assuming they actually have one) through Parliament?

Id imagine that the election would be considered as a proxy for a second referendum - wether that would be enough to stop a standoff in parliament....partly depends on the election result i guess. a hung parliament would probably lead back to the same impasse

 

[Pickman's model]

Id imagine that the election would be considered as a proxy for a second referendum - wether that would be enough to stop a standoff in parliament....partly depends on the election result i guess. a hung parliament would probably lead back to the same impasse

so the only lifeline left would be phone a friend as they've already gone 50:50 and would have asked the audience not only once but twice

 

[danny la rouge]

I think what I'm trying to ask if does anyone see an election being decisive for either party and then them actually managing to get their Brexit strategy (assuming they actually have one) through Parliament?

There’s no reason to believe that Labour, were they to win, would command any more of a Commons consensus for their Brexit strategy than the Tories. The stalemate in the political classes is an ecumenical matter.

 

[Teaboy]

There’s no reason to believe that Labour, were they to win, would command any more of a Commons consensus for their Brexit strategy than the Tories. The stalemate in the political classes is an ecumenical matter.

Send it to the Lords for the Bishops to sort out?

That's the sort of blue sky thinking we need, I like it.

 

[ska invita]

so the only lifeline left would be phone a friend as they've already gone 50:50 and would have asked the audience not only once but twice

Ian Duncan Smith could cough

 

[danny la rouge]

Send it to the Lords for the Bishops to sort out?

No.

 

[Mr Moose]

Does anyone believe that a general election would actually solve anything?

Yes, it would resolve the question as to whether Jeremy Corbyn’s time is up.