Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Oh and on gender, whilst I'm not suggesting this mitigates any threats of sexual violence against her, let's not forget soubry has supported a government that has had a massive impact on dv services.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Wilf Look at who these right-wingers are targeting in their Facebook videos by accosting them in Parliamant Square - Anna Soubry (woman), Faisal Islam (Muslim), Owen Jones (gay), Kay Burleigh (woman, abused every fucking day of her working life over the last fortnight since they showed up) and Femi Oluwole (a black man).
That's not accidental.
The friendly but passionate flag-waving Remainers who've campaigned in this area for months, who were subsequently joined by equally friendly flag-waving Brexiters, have now been joined by a whole other shower of human shit. This is the far right working, raising funds on Facebook with their provocative videos - and the very real threat that this could prevent women, gay people, Muslims and people of colour from using THEIR democratic right to protest in public should have you thinking harder about your response to this I think.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
I think by mitigates you might mean justify? Or minimise?
Why mention her impact on dv services if you aren't actually (despite the underline) trying precisely to do that? It's not relevant at all to the discussion, unless you are suggesting she somehow asked for it coz of her CV, which I'm sure you wouldn't.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Couldn't be clearer, that's why I underlined. But if you want to emphasise the threats made to an MP, there's no harm mentioning the damage she has done to women's lives.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Yes, COULD be clearer Wilf
It's the word "mitigates" - you're using it wrongly and it's pretty vital to the understanding of your sentence - in fact, it hinges on it, so I provided a couple of alternatives that might be what you meant, they might not. By all means try again with another word, but don't use "mitigates" again, it doesn't work here.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
But why are we starting with these particular women, this particular gay man, this particular Muslim? Hasn't there been a battle going on for years to get involved in? Well away from Westminster.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Because the fact they are doing this to well-known figures, in public and on-camera, and even in front of police officers, would indicate to me a new level of boldness that has me VERY worried. The homophobia, racism and sexism being recorded (for monetary gain to further the right-wing cause) on the steps of our Parliament is not every day hate, it's another level. But it will only ever inevitably filter down to the blacks and the queers and the disableds as it has always done once these right-wing bullies are given licence. Exclusion orders should be made in the morning by the local beak!
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So, 'let's protect the MPs so that this kind of thing doesn't start happening to the poor people'? I think that's rather got it the wrong way round!
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
It's MPs and journalists, people of influence who represent our civic society. They're being targeted by rightwing former EDL, Britain First and Pegida UK members, and these aggressive numbnuts are breaking the law in doing so. They're shouting the word "traitor" - which is a trope used by the Nazis when they challenged the orthodoxy in their own very special way. I'm surprised you find all this so acceptable.
If Owen Jones can get jumped by fascist cunts on the 6 o clock news and no-one gets arrested, what fucking chance have I got?
Humberto
Relax
I dunno, you should be able to go to work without trouble. That said it cuts both ways. By which I mean, the HoC and its members are or have become long since the epicentre of craft. They are flailing around and wailing that they can't do what they want any more. No one has confidence in them and that has manifested in the shambles we see before us. In other words, they have increasingly knackered themselves. For instance; very few of them are liked or admired by the broad, ordinary populace. They have brought that on themselves. There is an arrogance and selfish ambition and a lack of quality. Because of a lack of decency, pettiness and onanistic qualities. I don't want to see them heckled by buffoons or otherwise, but it is inevitable. The answer isn't to close ranks, it is to show respect for the office and institution they volunteered for and clear out those dreadful qualities.
Between gallivanting amongst heads of state and losing her party May is supposed to be some kind of leader.
Between gallivanting amongst heads of state and losing her party May is supposed to be some kind of leader.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
With numbers like that, I'd guess it was whipped was it? Which means a collective party response. Hasn't stopped the 'real leader of the opposition/only grown up in the room/national unity govt' appeals to technocratic authority from the usual crowd.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Sometimes just being a woman with a voice is enough.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Usual crowd doing what usual crowd does.
ska invita
back on the other side
I can see why Diane Abbot has showed recognition as she has been on the receiving end of endless vitriol, plenty of which was clearly illegal (hate speach, death threats etc). Every incident of that should be investigated and prosecuted and the law upheld. Has it? Ive not heard of any prosecutions. Thats what should be happening - illegal behaviour prosecuted.
Dont think Soubry has had that, and if any of the things said at her were breaking the law then that shoud be prosecuted too. The alledged anal rape with a EU flagpole comment may have likley counted, I dont know, but the heckling reported/caputred on video I've seen is just shit but perfectly legal heckling.
Fuck these BNP cunts doing it, but for the vast majority of it they're not doing anything illegal. And if it's illegal then prosecute accordingly.
What would you like to see happen here Wookey?
Dont think Soubry has had that, and if any of the things said at her were breaking the law then that shoud be prosecuted too. The alledged anal rape with a EU flagpole comment may have likley counted, I dont know, but the heckling reported/caputred on video I've seen is just shit but perfectly legal heckling.
Fuck these BNP cunts doing it, but for the vast majority of it they're not doing anything illegal. And if it's illegal then prosecute accordingly.
What would you like to see happen here Wookey?
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Yup. Can't stand her but fucking hell - threats of violence and all that.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that might have been the entire bnp, their numbers have so dwindled.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's not a new level of boldness. abuse has been hurled at the queen by the movement against the monarchy (eg when she gave out maundy money in bristol) and prince charles (eg when he and camilla were on their first appearance together in public in hoxton) before now, and you've said nothing about it. not to mention mps (norman tebbit by camden stop the poll tax, for example). or is your point that it's the right where in the past they've always been craven whereas people on the left have always been so bold?
it's plain you haven't heard of the league of empire loyalists or you wouldn't come out with such tripe about such things never having been done before by the right.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The underlined is just peak liberal. If you want to fight the fash, fight the fash (in whatever way you want). But don't do it by joining John Bercow's campaign for extra protection for MPs.It's MPs and journalists, people of influence who represent our civic society. They're being targeted by rightwing former EDL, Britain First and Pegida UK members, and these aggressive numbnuts are breaking the law in doing so. They're shouting the word "traitor" - which is a trope used by the Nazis when they challenged the orthodoxy in their own very special way. I'm surprised you find all this so acceptable.
If Owen Jones can get jumped by fascist cunts on the 6 o clock news and no-one gets arrested, what fucking chance have I got?
Anyway, john Bercow calling for women to be protected from harassment...
seventh bullet
sovietwave
They don't represent me or anyone I know. And anyway, those outside of 'civic society,' the mob, the riff raff, the rabble...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
'Government' defeated, again.
Commons division (preceding the re-commencement of the EU withdrawal 'agreement') on today's Dominic Grieve amendment to the Government's timetabling motion. It requires May to return to Parliament within 3 (not 21) sitting days of her losing the 'Agreement' vote to explain what she'll do.
Ayes (for Grieve's amendment) = 308
Noes (against) = 297
This significant defeat will accelerate her demise/response once she's defeated next Tuesday.
...again.
Commons division (preceding the re-commencement of the EU withdrawal 'agreement') on today's Dominic Grieve amendment to the Government's timetabling motion. It requires May to return to Parliament within 3 (not 21) sitting days of her losing the 'Agreement' vote to explain what she'll do.
Ayes (for Grieve's amendment) = 308
Noes (against) = 297
This significant defeat will accelerate her demise/response once she's defeated next Tuesday.
...again.
Recent drama in the house has amply demonstrated why Labour humiliated themselves and went in to bat for him so hard over the harassment stuff mind.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I should probably avoid all predictions as the situation/process is so chaotic/ridiculous but... she'd die for losing by that margin next week. She'd definitely be in sight of the winning line and with a few tweaks and concessions, close to a majority in the second vote.
Of course that logic goes straight out of the window if she loses big. However I have the feeling a good few tory rebels want to be seen to vote against it the first time only to 'reluctantly vote for the least worst option to save brexit' 3 days later. I also think Corbyn calling a vonc - presumably within the '3 days' - helps May. He'll lose it, which may in turn 'de-embolden' the tory rebels. Anyway, whilst the whole thing is both depressing and dull, it's still nice to see the British political system working so badly.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The 20-odd erm headbangers won't vote for it ever, though. They'd rather no brexit at all. So even if May gets her remainer rebels onside and gets the DUP back onside, she still loses if Labour stick together. I still don't see May passing any kind of deal without at least some Labour votes.I should probably avoid all predictions as the situation/process is so chaotic/ridiculous but... she'd die for losing by that margin next week. She'd definitely be in sight of the winning line and with a few tweaks and concessions, close to a majority in the second vote.
Of course that logic goes straight out of the window if she loses big. However I have the feeling a good few tory rebels want to be seen to vote against it the first time only to 'reluctantly vote for the least worst option to save brexit' 3 days later. I also think Corbyn calling a vonc - presumably within the '3 days' - helps May. He'll lose it, which may in turn 'de-embolden' the tory rebels. Anyway, whilst the whole thing is both depressing and dull, it's still nice to see the British political system working so badly.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Another and perhaps better way of putting all that is that even with the 3 day thing, May is still 'in control'. Her strength is that she no longer cares about her party or there being a functioning government after March. Her own psychodrama and lone political objective is to get some form of brexit through, short of the full hard brexit bounce. The 3 day thing jerks her around even further, but that doesn't really matter to her. All she's got is 'must do brexit, must do brexit...'.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well she can't credibly threaten 'no deal' any more, not that such a thing was ever going to happen. So I guess she'll increasingly be threatening 'no brexit at all'. Problem with that is it's not much of a threat to many MPs, given that it's what most of them actually want.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'll admit I'm pretty much ignoring maths
but I do have a feeling the dup may come onside and also that a few labour and ex labour mps could flake off. There's every chance I'm wrong, particularly if she loses big in the first vote, but I just have a sense it might get into squeaky bum territory, which then puts massive pressure on some of the demi-headbangers.Similar threads
