Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[brogdale]

Commons division on the cross party 'Cooper/Morgan' Amendment 7 to the Finance (No.3) Bill at report stage aiming to prevent Govt. implementing "No Deal" Brexit without Parliamentary consent;

Ayes (for Amendment) = 303
Noes (against Amendment) = 296
Government loses; an important precedent set, making "No Deal" even more improbable.

 

[brogdale]

And that's with DUP support AFAICS; May can't win anything.

 

[mojo pixy]

Now that the police are officially protecting tory MPs' feelings, May could just have those 303 arrested for pissing her off, then hold a second vote because the facts on the ground make a new ballot necessary and all that.

 

[teqniq]

Happy happy happy joy joy joy.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I don't actually see elements on the left demanding the police are used to 'protect' Tory MP's, but then I'm not glued to twitter like you...

To be fair you don't need to be glued to twitter to know that some on the left will be saying that and it's a reasonable point to make that such a position is ridiculous.

 

[D'wards]

That Cunt Farage has been on Twitter saying "welcome to my world" and has posted a video of him being well harranged by a very aggressive mob, which he states is a regular event.
He reckons it's been going on years, and is complaining that it happens once to an establishment Tory mp and people are calling for a change in the law.

As much as I hate to agree with the odious prick, but if you're right you're right.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Diane Abbot in full solidarity with Soubry.

 

[MickiQ]

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it does, every summer

Why do you keep posting pictures of the latest Pontins camp?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

...the myriad of problems...

...the myriad of problems...

I'm happy to be the grammar Nazi and inform you that really is a pet peeve of mine. It is supposed to be "myriad problems", not "myriad of problems". Sort it out, you two!

Then again, at least you didn't say "myriads of problems", so there is some hope left at least.

As you were.

 

[Gerry1time]

I'm happy to be the grammar Nazi and inform you that really is a pet peeve of mine. It is supposed to be "myriad problems", not "myriad of problems". Sort it out, you two!

Then again, at least you didn't say "myriads of problems", so there is some hope left at least.

As you were.

Technically a myriad is 10,000, and if you have multiples of tens of thousands, then you have myriads.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm happy to be the grammar Nazi and inform you that really is a pet peeve of mine. It is supposed to be "myriad problems", not "myriad of problems". Sort it out, you two!

Then again, at least you didn't say "myriads of problems", so there is some hope left at least.

As you were.

I was using Smokeandsteam's phrase, so leave me out of it

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do you keep posting pictures of the latest Pontins camp?

It's not a Pontins camp

 

[Smokeandsteam]

To be fair you don't need to be glued to twitter to know that some on the left will be saying that and it's a reasonable point to make that such a position is ridiculous.

And on cue up pops labour left Abbott in solidarity with Soubry. So we’ve now got two constituent groups - left remainers adopting Soubry as a kindred spirit and comrade in arms and fellow pols who hate being confronted by riff raff and disingenuously conflate protest with more sinister events. Soubry’s energetic support for attacks on trade unionists and benefit claimants is no bar to ‘solidarity’ it seems. I wonder if the 700 postal workers in her constituency she attacked for ‘wasting her time’ when they asked for her support over privatisation also stand in solidarity with her?

Clearly only an issue for Twitter obsessives though.

 

[Pickman's model]

And on cue up pops labour left Abbott in solidarity with Soubry. So we’ve now got two constituent groups - left remoaners adopting Soubry as a kindred spirit and fellow pols who hate being confronted by riff raff and disingenuously conflate protest with more sinister events.

Clearly only an issue for Twitter obsessives though.

And that grinding noise is the moving of goalposts

 

[Mr Moose]

And on cue up pops labour left Abbott in solidarity with Soubry. So we’ve now got two constituent groups - left remainers adopting Soubry as a kindred spirit and comrade in arms and fellow pols who hate being confronted by riff raff and disingenuously conflate protest with more sinister events. Soubry’s energetic support for attacks on trade unionists and benefit claimants is no bar to ‘solidarity’ it seems. I wonder if the 700 postal workers in her constituency she attacked for ‘wasting her time’ when they asked for her support over privatisation also stand in solidarity with her?

Clearly only an issue for Twitter obsessives though.

I’d imagine most of those postal workers don’t like her, but also don’t want people harassed in the street by facists. It’s not so difficult to understand.

As their confidence grows you simply don’t know who they will be after next esp if you don’t look like they do.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I’d imagine most of those postal workers don’t like her, but also don’t want people harassed in the street by facists. It’s not so difficult to understand.

As their confidence grows you simply don’t know who they will be after next esp if you don’t look like they do.

Fuck Soubry. And fuck those offering her solidarity.

 

[teqniq]

Fuck Soubry. And fuck those offering her solidarity.

Yes fuck Soubry but also fuck the people screaming abuse at her. If, however they were screaming abuse at her because of the destruction of the NHS or the shocking numbers of homeless on the streets or the people that have died as a direct result of welfare cuts, well that would be another matter entirely.

 

[Wilf]

Fuck Soubry. And fuck those offering her solidarity.

Yep, pretty unpleasant for her, most of those abusing her are outright cunts, but when all's said and done she already had police protection for many of those exchanges. I'd take the level of harassment she received over getting harassed by the DWP any day.

 

[Wilf]

Yes fuck Soubry but also fuck the people screaming abuse at her. If, however they were screaming abuse at her because of the destruction of the NHS or the shocking numbers of homeless on the streets or the people that have died as a direct result of welfare cuts, well that would be another matter entirely.

Well, yes, it might be in terms of their cuntishness, by why would it be any different as a tactic? Like everybody else I think MPs should be able to expect protection from rape threats, real violence and the rest, but not people getting in their face about the job they are doing.

 

[teqniq]

More and more often I am reminded that most, if not all of the tories regard the role of MP as nothing much more than a gravy train. A substantial portion of the right of the Labour party too I suspect. Subsequently I have surfeit of contempt for them.

 

[Patteran]

Commons division on the cross party 'Cooper/Morgan' Amendment 7 to the Finance (No.3) Bill at report stage aiming to prevent Govt. implementing "No Deal" Brexit without Parliamentary consent;

Ayes (for Amendment) = 303
Noes (against Amendment) = 296
Government loses; an important precedent set, making "No Deal" even more improbable.

Cue 'with Yvette Cooper in charge the Labour Party would be ten points ahead' & associated leadership challenge talk.

 

[killer b]

Cue 'with Yvette Cooper in charge the Labour Party would be ten points ahead' & associated leadership challenge talk.

just saw an absolute beaut of these.

 

[Pickman's model]

More and more often I am reminded that most, if not all of the tories regard the role of MP as nothing much more than a gravy train. A substantial portion of the right of the Labour party too I suspect. Subsequently I have surfeit of contempt for them.

It is impossible to have a surfeit of contempt for mps.

 

[Wookey]

Well, yes, it might be in terms of their cuntishness, by why would it be any different as a tactic? Like everybody else I think MPs should be able to expect protection from rape threats, real violence and the rest, but not people getting in their face about the job they are doing.

For "getting in their face" let's read what I saw, which was intimidating, threatening acts of sexual violence, and at one point physically preventing her from entering Parliament (which she does on behalf of thousands of constituents, not as a holiday).

That's plain against the law, whether you'd personally be upset by it, or whether you believe Anna Soubry has no right to be upset by it, nor the public right to have any disquiet over it - it's just against the law to treat anyone that way. Imagine that was your mother copping that.

 

[Mr Moose]

Fuck Soubry. And fuck those offering her solidarity.

Ooh you’re hard m8.

 

[Mr Moose]

Well, yes, it might be in terms of their cuntishness, by why would it be any different as a tactic? Like everybody else I think MPs should be able to expect protection from rape threats, real violence and the rest, but not people getting in their face about the job they are doing.

Yep, there should be no protection from home truths.

But even Boney was quite polite to JRM.

 

[Wilf]

For "getting in their face" let's read what I saw, which was intimidating, threatening acts of sexual violence, and at one point physically preventing her from entering Parliament (which she does on behalf of thousands of constituents, not as a holiday).

That's plain against the law, whether you'd personally be upset by it, or whether you believe Anna Soubry has no right to be upset by it, nor the public right to have any disquiet over it - it's just against the law to treat anyone that way. Imagine that was your mother copping that.

Not convinced she goes into parliament on behalf of her constituents to be honest. But if there was a threat of sexual violence that should have been treated like any other threat of sexual violence - the OB should have arrested the person making the threat. As I said above - 'Like everybody else I think MPs should be able to expect protection from rape threats, real violence and the rest'. But I'm not really interested in new police powers or extra layers of protection for MPs on the basis of having to put up with shoutiness. They already have more police protection than you or I.

 

[Wookey]

Not convinced she goes into parliament on behalf of her constituents to be honest. But if there was a threat of sexual violence that should have been treated like any other threat of sexual violence - the OB should have arrested the person making the threat. As I said above - 'Like everybody else I think MPs should be able to expect protection from rape threats, real violence and the rest'. But I'm not really interested in new police powers or extra layers of protection for MPs on the basis of having to put up with shoutiness. They already have more police protection than you or I.

Again, let's remove the sexual threats of violence, and what you call "real violence" and narrow this right down to what you call "shoutiness".

It wasn't raised voices in a heated discussion, you saw it as well as I did and it was not that. It was intended to be intimidating, and if they had done it to me as a 6ft 5 man, I'd be pretty sure it would have ended in violence, because I would have had to have face them down. Jostling, blocking, screaming obscenities and accusing people of being Nazis and traitors is not a bit of shoutiness, and minimising that kind of behaviour towards anyone, but especially towards one woman from ten or more men, is not right.

And the powers that make it illegal aren't new, they were passed by Thatcher in 1986.

 

[Wookey]

They already have more police protection than you or I.

If I was being hounded at work every day by right-wing extremists, barely months after one of my colleagues had been stabbed to death by same, I would expect something extra yes.

 

[Wilf]

If I was being hounded at work every day by right-wing extremists, barely months after one of my colleagues had been stabbed to death by same, I would expect something extra yes.

There's no doubt a strong gender element in what soubry is getting and even more so (obviously and entirely) when women MPs have had wave after wave of rape threats and the rest. Gruesome, intimidating, vile. But why start here, why not start with the violence done to sex workers, to migrants, to asylum seekers in detention centres, to victims of dv? Why start with MPs, a group who are supposed to be engaged with the public but already receive significant police and state protection? I'm happy to say I haven't seen these clips in detail, but FFS in at least one she's actually got a copper giving her one to one protection!