not-bono-ever
meh
No deal is going to be realpolitik political suicide for whoever is in charge, despite the likes of Johnson stirring this as - the brexit we voted for trope -from the sidelines .
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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not-bono-ever
meh
The Tory filth do have a penchant for all or nothing gambling options - kinda undermines the lie that they are the sensible safe hands of administration.
I used to play “ turn of a card for money” when drunk with my mates in the old days - no skill or tactics, highest card drawn wins the pot. It always ended badly
I used to play “ turn of a card for money” when drunk with my mates in the old days - no skill or tactics, highest card drawn wins the pot. It always ended badly
ska invita
back on the other side
Theres time for a norwayesque free movement deal as nothing much changes.
BJ has a proven record of backing a Brexit outcome he hopes doesnt acutally come to pass - I think he's doubled down on that bet thinking SURELY this time it won't go through...allows him to play to the party membership nicely
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I would assume they would mostly prefer no Brexit.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
I'dd be very surprised if May didn't have something up her sleeve re the Backstop to be revealed prior to the vote taking place.
Whether this will be enough to swing the vote in her favour is quite another matter but with an aggressive whipping/wining-and-dining operation designed to peel off any waverers I reckon it will be closer than may people think.
As a matter of interest I had a brief chat with a Labour MP over Xmas.
I asked him what he thinks will happen and he said he's absolutely no idea except that there is a large number of Tory MPs who actively want a "no-deal" exit and so are immune to threats or promises of promotion etc - so who knows.
Whether this will be enough to swing the vote in her favour is quite another matter but with an aggressive whipping/wining-and-dining operation designed to peel off any waverers I reckon it will be closer than may people think.
As a matter of interest I had a brief chat with a Labour MP over Xmas.
I asked him what he thinks will happen and he said he's absolutely no idea except that there is a large number of Tory MPs who actively want a "no-deal" exit and so are immune to threats or promises of promotion etc - so who knows.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i take the opposite view - i don't think there's anything left in the EU's concessions box, i think May knows that, and i think that unlike many other politicians, she understands the rabbit hole of dangers that would be opened up by holding a referendum and then effectively discarding the result because its one the overwhelming majority of the political class dislike. its also pretty clear that May isn't someone is does, or is any good at, the shmoozing and whipping stuff.
i'd put much more money on a no-deal brexit than i would a postponement - i don't think Labour will really attempt to force a postponement, they will prefer to make political hay from the fall out, and Corbyn isn't a fan of the EU anyway. there will be some LD whining, some ardently remain Tory and Labour shreiking and howling, but in the end i think that the UK will just fall out of the EU on the 29th March..
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That is the one remaining mystery about Theresa May; that she can get so many people to apparently believe that there must be some grand scheme behind all this rather than the live action version of Sideshow Bob and the rakes.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Soubry isn't very happy that the police refused to arrest these disrespectful citizens and their disregard for public order.
MP urges police action over 'Nazi taunts'
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I will possibly give her some credit for calling the election in 2017. At the time I thought it smacked of hubris, but I will now consider the idea that she had the foresight to see that a majority of 12 would never be enough to push through the kind of deal she knew she was going to get, but a majority of 50+ might. It's been a slow-motion car crash since the moment the exit polls were reported.
Fez909
toilet expert
At the knuckle dragging loons harassing Soubry. Proper vitriolic frothing.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
MP urges police action over 'Nazi taunts'
The guys flanking on both sides have popped up a few times now. The one on the left "Trump Flag boy" is a yank, the other bloke wearing the jack is from from the UK and is a pants flapper. Last seen on the Extinction rebellion demo.
The guys flanking on both sides have popped up a few times now. The one on the left "Trump Flag boy" is a yank, the other bloke wearing the jack is from from the UK and is a pants flapper. Last seen on the Extinction rebellion demo.
Theisticle
Well-Known Member
True colours shining through
not-bono-ever
meh
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
We are close to full circle among sections of the left now. If your politics lead you to defending Tory MP's like Soubry then you probably need to rethink them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
soz who's defending her?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Have a look on twitter.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Obviously all those that defended Corbyn when Hodge screamed in his face that he was a fucking anti-semite...obviously.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh perhaps you could outline who you mean, then armed with those names i will look on twitter
andysays
Love and solidarity
If your beef is with what some people are posting on Twitter, maybe challenge them about it on Twitter.
Although it didn't say it explicitly, your previous post appeared to be suggesting that some on this thread were supporting Soubry.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
WTF?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you post made it sound like people here were defending soubry. it helps if you say who you're having a pop at, if you say
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Except a) it said 'sections of the left' and b) if I wanted to have a pop at someone on here I would have quoted their post.
Anyway, back to the point - how and why have sections of the left found themselves in a position where they have to defend scum like Soubry?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
which sections of the left do you mean?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
LP members (and activists)/remainer/'love Corbyn, hate Brexit' nexus
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't believe being a member of the labour party puts you on the left, nor even being a labour party activist.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
...which must mean pro-EU = in league with Satan.
Actually that kind of makes sense. I'm just not sure where my conscience fits in.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
I don’t think they’ll be a major concession by the EU but a form of words on the Backstop that could be of help to May.
I guess the whips know the vote is going to be lost and will be focusing their efforts on cutting the margin of defeat to a bare minimum to avoid humiliating May (reducing her diminished authority even more) while at the same time giving her a better chance of getting her deal through on a second , or even third, vote.
However I think many Brexiteers will not vote for this deal under any circumstances as they simply don’t want a deal – any deal.
For them the NI border issue is just a fig-leaf to justify their opposition because they think that leaving without a deal increases the chances of the UK becoming like Singapore, a low-tax, low regulation economy. A pure form of Thatcherism though the back door.
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not-bono-ever
meh
Wasn’t that venom’s first album ?
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I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at the current situation. Not felt so powerless since the thatcher era. Have resorted to shouting at politicians on the telly in the morning ( all of them )
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