Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Ax^]

about covers it for me

I think it's the right verdict, by the way. The fact that a black kid in the same circumstances would have a much more ambiguous chance (at best) of getting the same verdict doesn't change that.

 

[Idris2002]

about covers it for me

 

[Ax^]

ah well its not like you just been linking to dodgy right wing website for a bit


how are you Idris?

 

[Idris2002]

ah well its not like you just been linking to dodgy right wing website for a bit


how are you Idris?

Dodgy right wing websites like . . . (checks notes) . . . famous Jewish-American newspaper The Forward?

WATCH: That Time Leonard Cohen Was On ‘Miami Vice’

Musician and poet Leonard Cohen appeared as a French villain on a 1986 episode of Miami Vice titled "French Twist."

forward.com

As for how I am - Just listening to the poet Zimmerman, you know, the usual.

Et toi?

 

[Ax^]

Woops on that last comment ,

mixed you up with another poster my bad Idris

 

[Idris2002]

Woops on that last comment ,

mixed you up with another poster my bad Idris

No worries, all part of the urban magic.

 

[two sheds]

I'm going to carry on assuming it was you anyway

 

[Idris2002]

I'm going to carry on assuming it was you anyway

Guys like me are mad for turtle meat.

 

[Ming]

Not sure on this point, the far right get the most out of portraying themselves as victims, a guilty verdict would have them screaming about injustice and crowdfunding left right and centre. This way they can’t play that game, a small comfort if anything.

Erm. I think I’d prefer justice. Fuck their victim complex.

 

[keybored]

Pretty sure that's just a typo and he meant to spell it SIEG HEIL NOW

 

[rekil]

Which one is idris.

 

[Ax^]

Quiet you

 

[spring-peeper]

 

[8ball]

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Bizarrely seems to actually be true (I assumed it was a spoof).

Not sure of the logic considering he has been a massive advert (to any sane person, anyway), against a whole bunch of their current gun laws (open carry, that particular class of rifles, age laws etc.).

 

[hitmouse]

Posted on another thread, but anyway, while I wouldn't say I agree with everything in this 100%, it seems like a good thoughtful article from people who were apparently in Kenosha:

Kenosha, I Do Mind Dying • Ill Will

In the ruin and wreckage of Kenosha, our political horizons are being redrawn in real time.

illwill.com

The outcome of this case is likely to be more armed conflicts. The legal precedents set and the unevenness of punishment will make demonstrations increasingly more armed, with participants more prepared to defend themselves against lethal force. Likewise it will set a precedent in the frame of armed conflict for how to be perceived as a citizen rather than a terrorist — because governments know they need both. Visions of social revolution are being replaced by images of the Purge.

Such paranoid narratives are expressions of a world in which consensus reality has collapsed. We are losing not only the epistemological foundations to ground our perceptions, but the very ability to ask ourselves nuanced and difficult questions. Kyle Rittenhouse’s lawyers claim he acted in self-defense. His supporters believe a narrative in which he came to Kenosha as a civic-minded do-gooder, who was then attacked and had to shoot. Pundits on the right believe he was nothing less than a hero who gave Antifa what they had coming. The prosecution claims he acted recklessly and committed homicide. Liberals and portions of the left believe Rittenhouse is a white supremacist who came to Kenosha to act on his fascist beliefs. But on the night of August 25, nothing felt so clear. There were signs of each of these narratives — dog whistles, if you had the ear for them — but truth was obscured by a dark cloud of assumptions and tensions. If you were there, the polarity against the police was suddenly rerouted and the face of the adversary contorted. You had to gaze into a fog of flashing lights, rage, and gunmen to attempt to perceive reality.

Rittenhouse is the logical fusion of the liberal and conservative narratives surrounding the George Floyd Rebellion, which always converged in their paranoid belief that everything that happened that summer was the act of some opportunistic and sinister outsider. Did Rittenhouse act in self-defense? Maybe — I don’t give a shit. Did he act without thought, kill two people and wound another? Yes. Do you want a teenager to die in prison? Not really, but god, fuck him. I don’t know. The story is a tragedy that our conspiracy theories can’t handle. The painful ethical question is: would it have been better that Kyle Rittenhouse met judgement that night, outside the law? Maybe, no? I don't know. Two people would still be dead. The tragedy might have been felt more clearly, the cosmos more balanced in trauma, and maybe some people would have reconsidered how many pounds of flesh they were willing to sacrifice.

 

[Idris2002]

Which one is idris.

I'm Meal Team Six on the left there. Still wondering if I shave my head will they let me join the Bald Panthers.

 

[Ax^]

Bizarrely seems to actually be true (I assumed it was a spoof).

Not sure of the logic considering he has been a massive advert (to any sane person, anyway), against a whole bunch of their current gun laws (open carry, that particular class of rifles, age laws etc.).

think you forgetting the America right of far from sane

 

[8ball]

think you forgetting the America right of far from sane

I realise my mistake in burying my meaning in a bracketed clause and will endeavour to be more explicit in the future.

 

[Idris2002]

The Killers That Run The Other Countries
(from "The Energy Of Slave" 1972)
The killers that run
the other countries
are trying to get us
to overthrow the killers
that run our own
I for one
prefer the rule
of our native killers
I am convinced
the foreign killer
will kill more of us
than the old familiar killer does
Frankly I don't believe
anyone out there
really wants us to solve
our social problems
I base this all on how I feel
about the man next door
I just hope he doesn't
get any uglier
Therefore I am a patriot
I don't like to see
a burning flag
because it excites
the killers on either side
to unfortunate excess
which goes on gaily
quite unchecked
until everyone is dead

 

[spring-peeper]

"remember: OJ simpson was acquitted... and then owed $33.5 million in a civil judgement against him."

 

[two sheds]

has he got any money though?

 

[8ball]

has he got any money though?

Who?

The guy who didn’t die and admitted he was pointing a gun at the defendant when he was shot?

Rittenhouse would have a fuckload of funding from all corners of the right in such a case.

Interested in the argument that civil suits have a higher level of accountability..

 

[two sheds]

no I meant Rittenhouse if people are suing him

 

[8ball]

no I meant Rittenhouse if people are suing him

Well, if he gets sued he’ll definitely have money.

Maybe it makes sense that it is Rittenhouse’s supporters that are being snuck up on and not Rittenhouse himself.

 

[two sheds]

or at least his lawyers will

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I expect it'll be Rittenhouse getting rich off of lawsuits against media outlets. Just like the grinning Catholic schoolboy incident. Quarter of a billion quid he managed to get in total.

 

[8ball]

I expect it'll be Rittenhouse getting rich off of lawsuits against media outlets. Just like the grinning Catholic schoolboy incident. Quarter of a billion quid he managed to get in total.

This does look more likely at this point, though I saw it mentioned that such cases have a fairly high burden of proof.

 

[two sheds]

the families can sue him afterwards then

 

[8ball]

the families can sue him afterwards then

How much money do you want him to have?

 

[two sheds]

none whatsoever