Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Well, given the number of shots he fired, that rules out first degree murder for starters.
Compared to what even the police fire, the number of shots was very small.
In my experience, people in the US, generally speaking, have a good understanding of the effects of firearms. Very many of them know a great deal
more about them than people here.
I’d say they are just terrifyingly blase about the presence such weapons ,and accepting of the numbers of deaths they cause. As if bullets were a kind of particularly nasty horizontal weather.
But then I’m going from my occasional forays over there, usually on business, and the kinds of people I run into may well be different to your experience. And I have never lived there for a sustained period.
I think attitudes can vary a lot depending on where you are in the States too.
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
ok all over the internet its saying what that symbol is whom the people in it might be
but i have to back it up
ok
There were also a whole load of inaccurate claims plastered over the internet that wound up working in Rittenhouse’s favour in the trial.
Being able to find a claim is different to backing up a claim.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
This is fucking insane. I can sort of understand him (at a stretch) wanting to defend his home if he thought his life was under threat but travelling to the scene of a protest with the intention to shoot someone is something else entirely. How he was let off all charges is gobsmacking… wtf 
8ball
Decolonise colons!
was editing before you saw it
ok I'll bite what is your prespective of the results of this trial?
and what is your prospective is of the verdict going forward?
i'm not spending my friday night atm, poking holes in other people ideas that the verdict is bullshit?
Well, I haven’t seen anything to make me think the verdict itself is bullshit based on the evidence presented, and the way these things work is that the court’s duty is to establish a relationship between charge and evidence. Can’t comment on any evidence that was held back, or comment on whether the rules for doing so are sound.
The judge strikes me as a dick, as do an assortment of parties on both sides of the equation, though I wouldn’t draw moral equivalence between them. Some mis-reporting undoubtedly helped the defence.
I don’t think it’s a good thing that there were no charges brought that could stick. I do think there is good evidence that he was defending himself, and I also do think it is ridiculous that he was there in the first place.
Going forward - I don’t think this is a good result. Given the specific charges and the legal environment, I don’t know enough to say how a better result would have happened.
I don’t find Rittenhouse a likeable character, but that is not the purpose of criminal trials. Nor, however, is it the purpose of criminal trials to act as a cathartic morality play for dealing with a host of related concerns.
He’s an idiot, and it’s a shame nothing more can be done on that count legally speaking. I’d hope he has the smarts to properly realise the consequences of his actions and deal with the effects of that. I hear he had some ambitions to be a paramedic, and I wouldn’t begrudge him some path towards redemption. Though I’m not that hopeful on that count.
That’s about my lot.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
well we can see,
i can see him spent the next few months being the alt right poster boy,
will more than likely get a interview with joe rogan off the back of this and make some money
amongst other twat influencers who want clicks
he has little hope of being a paramedic due to people knowing who he is
comforting thing is his life is gonna end up being hard even with getting off scot free from killing 2 people by being a dumb 17 year old
i can see him spent the next few months being the alt right poster boy,
will more than likely get a interview with joe rogan off the back of this and make some money
amongst other twat influencers who want clicks
he has little hope of being a paramedic due to people knowing who he is
comforting thing is his life is gonna end up being hard even with getting off scot free from killing 2 people by being a dumb 17 year old
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I hope the first doesn’t happen.
I’d hope there is some chance of the second (an identity change might be in order).
If you’re not a complete scumbag, I don’t think there is any “scot free” path after something like this. But he might be a complete scumbag. I dunno.
And yeah, guess we might see. And I find I’m often disappointed, so might as well be prepared for that.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, a lot of really bad elements are going to be feeling really empowered by this verdict. It’s not going to have good social effects.
The media environment and attitude toward firearms is something that needs addressing, but I can’t see much changing in the foreseeable on that point.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
A few Republican politicians are offering him internships. So… Murder two people ( on video no less) and injure a third. Get a job in politics! Maybe a book deal?? I wonder how the families of his victims feel about this? Still it’s all legal.
ETA: I wonder if he’s got an agent…(sends resume)
ETA: I wonder if he’s got an agent…(sends resume)
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It was the video evidence that exonerated him from murder.
We already have the far right making hay from the mindless repetition of lies. I’m not sure continuing on that tack will help.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Thing is I’ve reached the conclusion that people on the right (particularly in the US) lean towards the psychopathic end of the behavioural spectrum. So they don’t hate themselves particularly (probably the opposite) but they have problems empathising. Add the narcissism and grandiosity and you end up with. Well modern right wing politics. Did you notice that there’s been little to no words of comfort for the families of his victims from the right wing media and politicians?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
And the judge excluding video evidence of him talking about shooting people with his AR-15 (might have had an influence on the jury). So what do you think might help?
Humberto
Relax
I'm just astonished that a (Senator?) 'filibustered' for 8 hours! Joyless corporate representation.
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