Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Ax^]

From what I have observed the rioting and destruction has nothing to do with the brutal treatment of black people. It is anarchists using any excuse to get their kicks destroying and putting thousands out of work.

hmm has their been any major issue with recruitment in the last 12 months?

or employers laying off staff

 

[krtek a houby]

From what I have observed the rioting and destruction has nothing to do with the brutal treatment of black people. It is anarchists using any excuse to get their kicks destroying and putting thousands out of work.

Still trotting out the right wing take on the protests, uh huh.

 

[TomUS]

this is what rage rage rage looks like:
killing and bombing and shooting 10000 rounds at innocent (black) people , including children

You're right, thats all that seems to matter: rage

-Can you not understand why people might have had enough of that rage directed against them?

Were they innocent? They built a bunker on their roof and shot at the cops from it. The neighbors had been demanding the city act for a year.

For more than a year the mostly black middle-class neighborhood residents had been pressing the city to act against Move. Founded in 1972 by a former handyman who changed his name from Vincent Leaphart to John Africa and gave his surname to all his followers, Move professes to be a back-to-nature movement but has always struck outsiders as an exotic cult enamored of rancid, anarchic practices. Membership has probably never exceeded 100. Move has pretended to reject modern technology, but has embraced it readily enough in the form of weapons.......The Move property on Osage Avenue had become notorious for its abundant litter of garbage and human waste and for its scurrying rats and dozens of dogs. Bullhorns blared forth obscene tirades and harangues at all times of day and night. Move members customarily kept their children out of both clothes and school. They physically assaulted some neighbors and threatened others.......The Osage block association arranged a meeting with Move members on Mother's Day last May. "We were trying to give and take, and there wasn't any give and take," recalls Oris ("Buck") Thomas, 42, who lived not far from Move. "They said, 'If you do anything to hurt us, we're going to kill you.' "

"It Looks Just Like a War Zone"

"It Looks Just Like a War Zone"

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[Ax^]

:/

 

[ska invita]

Were they innocent? They built a bunker on their roof and shot at the cops from it. The neighbors had been demanding the city act for a year.

Is that what justice looks like to you? mowing down innocent people fleeing burning buildings? blowing up bombs in a residential area?

 

[TomUS]

hmm has their been any major issue with recruitment in the last 12 months?

or employers laying off staff

Thousands used to work in downtown Portland. I was one of them. There's very few places left for them to work.

 

[TomUS]

Is that what justice looks like to you? mowing down innocent people fleeing burning buildings? blowing up bombs in a residential area?

Dropping the bomb on the roof was obviously the wrong thing to do. But please don't try to make the MOVE cult out to be innocent victims. They were hated by their neighbors for good reason.

 

[scifisam]

From what I have observed the rioting and destruction has nothing to do with the brutal treatment of black people. It is anarchists using any excuse to get their kicks destroying and putting thousands out of work.

Like my librarian friend?

 

[TomUS]

hmm has their been any major issue with recruitment in the last 12 months?

or employers laying off staff

“The number is like nothing I have seen in 42 years of doing business in downtown,” Goodman said in a letter he sent to Mayor Ted Wheeler and the members of the Portland City Council......Goodman said these companies include Daimler Chrysler, AirB&B, Banana Republic, Microsoft (who he said is permanently closing their retail store), Saucebox and Google, “who leased 90,000 square feet in the Macy’s building (and) has stopped construction of their improvements. The list goes on and on. If you know a retail or office broker, give them a call and ask them how many clients they have are trying to leave.”......Their departure, he said in the letter, has nothing to do with the Black Lives Matter movement “but does have most everything to do with the lawlessness you are endorsing downtown.”

• https://www.koin.com/news/protests/developer-businesses-leaving-downtown-portland-over-riots/

 

[spring-peeper]

• https://www.koin.com/news/protests/developer-businesses-leaving-downtown-portland-over-riots/

some of our region will not see a quick recovery from all this - businesses are crumbly and there seems to be no end.

 

[Streathamite]

From what I have observed the rioting and destruction has nothing to do with the brutal treatment of black people. It is anarchists using any excuse to get their kicks destroying and putting thousands out of work.

no, it bloody isn't

 

[Streathamite]

If they were as ridiculously overfunded, militarised and all armed to the teeth as the US police - yes, I would.
Defunding does not mean taking away all police funding.

It means diverting a proportion of that whacking great budget away from the police, and which address the root causes of all the issues, the police in America end up having to deal with, because other public services have ben so underfunded.

For instance; mental health projects, housing the homeless, womens' hostels and refuges, addiction treatment centres, youth services, community programmes. To name but a few.

All these are things to deal with a whole range of problems which the police should never, ever have to deal with, and which they are completely unqualified to deal with.

This way, we might just save a few lives as well, instead of the police ending those lives.

TomUS, please answer this post

 

[existentialist]

From what I have observed the rioting and destruction has nothing to do with the brutal treatment of black people. It is anarchists using any excuse to get their kicks destroying and putting thousands out of work.

Cracked record. What are you even doing here, if all you want to do is trot out the same bullshit every time you post?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not sure why your enabling this guy tbh.

 

[existentialist]

Not sure why your enabling this guy tbh.

As opposed to...?

 

[krtek a houby]

Cracked record. What are you even doing here, if all you want to do is trot out the same bullshit every time you post?

Expecting him to claim Marxism is a racist ideology, next. Seeing that crop up recently, anarchists, antifa, BLM are facists/racists etc.

 

[Artaxerxes]

As opposed to...?

Ignoring the fucker and/or telling him to fuck off.

 

[existentialist]

Ignoring the fucker and/or telling him to fuck off.

Tell you what: you do it your way, and I'll do it mine, OK?

 

[nogojones]

Thousands used to work in downtown Portland. I was one of them. There's very few places left for them to work.

I really wish you could return to work.

You'd have much less time on your hands to post bollocks on here

 

[kabbes]

Tom, is there any level of funding of the police that you would determine to be excessive? As a % of public spending, I mean. Where would that line be drawn for you?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

It is anarchists using any excuse to get their kicks destroying and putting thousands out of work.

You don't understand anarchism. What a surprise.

 

[a_chap]

I really wish you could return to work.

You'd have much less time on your hands to post bollocks on here

Oh god, he's not been on the Urban nekkid thread has he?

 

[Streathamite]

Tom, is there any level of funding of the police that you would determine to be excessive? As a % of public spending, I mean. Where would that line be drawn for you?

good question.
I guess if there's anyon e we can leave numbers-related questions to, it's you!

 

[steveo87]

Wasn't sure where to put this but #ProudBoys is currently meeting hijacked by the LGBTQ Community on Twitter.

Today is a good day.

 

[Orang Utan]

Wasn't sure where to put this but #ProudBoys is currently meeting hijacked by the LGBTQ Community on Twitter.

Today is a good day.

 

[steveo87]

The whole thing makes me so happy.

 

[Ax^]

just when you think 2020 can't stop giving

 

[Ax^]

Should be in wasting your Bandwithz as well

 

[TomUS]

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TomUS, please answer this post
[/QUOTE]

If they were as ridiculously overfunded, militarised and all armed to the teeth as the US police - yes, I would.
Defunding does not mean taking away all police funding.

It means diverting a proportion of that whacking great budget away from the police, and which address the root causes of all the issues, the police in America end up having to deal with, because other public services have ben so underfunded.

For instance; mental health projects, housing the homeless, womens' hostels and refuges, addiction treatment centres, youth services, community programmes. To name but a few.

All these are things to deal with a whole range of problems which the police should never, ever have to deal with, and which they are completely unqualified to deal with.

This way, we might just save a few lives as well, instead of the police ending those lives.

Those services you list do need more funding. But I wouldn't cut funding from the police to do it. They shouldn't say defunding if they don't mean it. I think they do mean it. They have recently been chanting a slogan calling for the eliminitation of all police and all jails. IOW anarchy. Where I live the police are definitely not over funded. In fact our brilliant city politicians recently cut the police budget. Even before these asshole rioters began their mayhem, the city was about 100 cops short. Crime is going up, the rioters have been running wild, emergency calls to the police go unanswered because they don't have enough manpower to deal with the riots as well as their regular duties, and the police budget is cut. Totally insane. Those who run the city, county and state are criminally negligent IMO.

 

[Streathamite]

[/QUOTE]
Those services you list do need more funding. But I wouldn't cut funding from the police to do it.
[/QUOTE]
OK, let's say I buy this (and I don't) where does the dough come from?