Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[andysays]

Rioting is not a constitutional right no matter who does it.

You're so right, TomUS, there's only one language these rioters understand

 

[Streathamite]

I'm trying to find the exact details but it was a few weeks ago when there was a big thing about "well it's not actually tear gas" - apparently Wheeler specifically banned CS gas. (He actually got gassed himself when he went down to a protest.)

It also may not be the PPB specifically using the gas, but the feds, in concert with the PPB. For instance here's an occasion in Newsweek:

Portland Protesters Tear-Gassed 8 Days After Mayor Orders No Tear Gas Use

Local officials said federal law enforcement, not police, fired the gas at protesters gathered outside a building of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

www.newsweek.com

and it's not at all hard to find videos of it happening e.g.



I will edit my original post anyway just to be precise.

Apparently the governor of Oregon has declared a state of emergency for this weekend's protests anyway which will allow the use of tear gas so eh.

thanks for the info - v interesting

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

This is pretty fucking fascinating, proof in real time of 'scratch a liberal'

they are the enemy, they want a rope around your neck...

 

[Buddy Bradley]

 

[existentialist]

So, a member of the GJ (who presumably knows what went on in their deliberations) is asking for those deliberations to be made public?

Surely, if a grand jury had reached some conclusions, which were then misrepresented by the attorney general, that would be, er, quite a dodgy thing to happen, right?

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I’m listening to this BBC podcast.

BBC Radio 4 - Two Minutes Past Nine

25 years on, journalist Leah Sottile investigates the legacy of the Oklahoma City Bombing.

www.bbc.co.uk

It examines current extremist activity in America through he lense of the Oklahoma bombing.

 

[frogwoman]

All that translates into far higher unemployment than would have otherwise been the case.

I think that ship has sailed some time ago

 

[Streathamite]

You're so right, TomUS, there's only one language these rioters understand

EEK!!!
Oh gawd, I hated 10cc. That band's entire flabby oeuvre was justification in itself for the punk kulturkampf

 

[Streathamite]

Surely, if a grand jury had reached some conclusions, which were then misrepresented by the attorney general, that would be, er, quite a dodgy thing to happen, right?

well, precisely.

 

[existentialist]

EEK!!!
Oh gawd, I hated 10cc. That band's entire flabby oeuvre was justification in itself for the punk kulturkampf

Yes, they were two very good musicians...but didn't they bloody know it

"Flabby" is a good word for it. Not always unpleasant (well, so I thought) but...meh.

 

[scifisam]

I mentioned my friend in Portland who got teargassed by one of the Proud Boys when on a very peaceful march (again, she is the most peaceful person you could imagine). Her attacker has been charged.

 

[spring-peeper]

Trump says KKK and antifa should be prosecuted equally.
But, he also feels that all the violence is from antifa - proud boys are just protecting the country.

McEnany: Trump has ‘condemned’ white supremacy, but 'shameful' media won't cover it

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany defended President Trump on Thursday over the fallout from comments he made during this week's debate about the "Proud Boys" and said he has “denounced white supremacy” repeatedly, calling his record on the issue “unmistakable.”

www.foxnews.com

“The president has denounced white supremacy, the KKK, hate groups of all forms, he signed a resolution—just last week, he expressed his desire to see the KKK prosecuted as domestic terrorists,” McEnany said.

“His record on this is unmistakable and it is shameful the media refuses to cover it,” McEnany said.

McEnany said the president has “continuously condemned” white supremacy.

“His record is not mixed in the slightest,” McEnany said.

“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," Trump said. "But I’ll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody has got to do something about Antifa and the left. Because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem.”

Biden interrupted, calling Antifa “an idea, not an organization.”

Trump fired back saying, “Oh you’ve got to be kidding.”

“When a bat hits you over the head that's not an idea,” Trump said. “Antifa is bad.”

 

[spring-peeper]

Kyle Rittenhouse to sue Biden, campaign for libel, attorney says

An attorney representing Kyle Rittenhouse has announced plans to sue Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his campaign for libel after Biden shared a video that appears to suggest the teenager is a White supremacist.

www.foxnews.com

An attorney representing alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse has announced plans to sue Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his campaign for libel on his client's behalf after Biden shared a video that appears to suggest the teenager is a White supremacist.

Lin Wood, Rittenhouse’s civil attorney, confirmed to Fox News on Wednesday his intention to sue the former vice president and his campaign on his client’s behalf, just hours after Biden posted the 50-second clip to Twitter.

 

[YouSir]

Kyle Rittenhouse to sue Biden, campaign for libel, attorney says

An attorney representing Kyle Rittenhouse has announced plans to sue Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his campaign for libel after Biden shared a video that appears to suggest the teenager is a White supremacist.

www.foxnews.com

Far Right fundraisers reopening all over no doubt, the grift is unstoppable.

 

[Humberto]

People like dreary, incompetent and inhumane, so... a draw.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Rioting is not a constitutional right no matter who does it.

Of course it isn't. Rioting is what you do when things like a constitution don't protect you, when there is something wrong with the state as constituted.

 

[existentialist]

Of course it isn't. Rioting is what you do when things like a constitution don't protect you, when there is something wrong with the state as constituted.

I think you may be operating some way outside Mr US's wheelhouse...

 

[TomUS]

I mentioned my friend in Portland who got teargassed by one of the Proud Boys when on a very peaceful march (again, she is the most peaceful person you could imagine). Her attacker has been charged.

Good thing the police weren't defunded then.

 

[Pickman's model]

Good thing the police weren't defunded then.

You say the police like they were a thing

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course it isn't. Rioting is what you do when things like a constitution don't protect you, when there is something wrong with the state as constituted.

There is always something wrong with the state.

 

[scifisam]

Good thing the police weren't defunded then.

That's not what defunding the police ever meant.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're so right, TomUS, there's only one language these rioters understand

 

[TomUS]

That's not what defunding the police ever meant.

Defund the police means just what it says.

 

[existentialist]

Defund the police means just what it says.

I do like how you are able to switch the naïf off and on.

 

[Pickman's model]

I do like how you are able to switch the naïf off and on.

It's wicked to mock the afflicted

 

[existentialist]

It's wicked to mock the afflicted

Who, moi?

 

[Pickman's model]

Who, moi?

You're taking the oui out of him

 

[two sheds]

Defund the police means just what it says.

like 'Black Lives Matter' means just what it says: that White Lives don't Matter

rather than Black Lives Matter too?

 

[krtek a houby]

Defund the police means just what it says.

I'm sure you'll get some kind of severance pay.

 

[Streathamite]

Good thing the police weren't defunded then.

oh gawd....look, you have quite massively misunderstood what 'defunding the police' actually means.
A quick heads-up; reach out to some BLM members, and ask them to explain it