Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Orang Utan]

I’ve mentioned this before but Robert Evans’ podcast It Could Happen Here is well worth a listen though it won’t help with anyone’s anxiety levels. He recorded it pre-Covid and many of the scenarios that he says could lead to civil war have already happened in the past year

 

[emanymton]

I don't think most of those things are true though. Maybe about guns, but loads of people have always had guns there and spells of increased gun purchasing happen pretty often. Aside from that, I don't think there's much reason to believe the state has lost legitimacy across the majority of the country and there aren't currently any serious challenges to its authority. Not to mention a lot of these militia types seem to be acting in support of the state. I'd also question whether the police are really out of control or actually performing their function as intended. Isn't being 'out of control' part of the normal repertoire of police forces?

Totally agree, a lot if people seem to say it us heading for civil war, but between who?

When it comes down to it as much as the armed militia groups go on about opposing the state their interests (or perceived interests at least) are more or less in alignment with the state's.

They are also a pretty small minority as well in reality.

 

[ska invita]

I’ve mentioned this before but Robert Evans’ podcast It Could Happen Here is well worth a listen though it won’t help with anyone’s anxiety levels. He recorded it pre-Covid and many of the scenarios that he says could lead to civil war have already happened in the past year

when he was talking about Civil War, what does that mean? Does he define it?
I'm not dismissive of clashes, cultural and physical, but i find it hard to picture beyond small mob skirmishes

 

[two sheds]

and turning at least one city over to the far right militia while the police just look on ...

 

[emanymton]

I’ve mentioned this before but Robert Evans’ podcast It Could Happen Here is well worth a listen though it won’t help with anyone’s anxiety levels. He recorded it pre-Covid and many of the scenarios that he says could lead to civil war have already happened in the past year

I listened to some of that. At one point he talked about right and left armed groups finding common cause against the state, which is just bullshit. The real purpose of armed right wing groups is not to oppose the state it is to oppose the left.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’ve mentioned this before but Robert Evans’ podcast It Could Happen Here is well worth a listen though it won’t help with anyone’s anxiety levels. He recorded it pre-Covid and many of the scenarios that he says could lead to civil war have already happened in the past year

What cataclysms has he predicted which have come to pass? I don't mean the precursor events, I mean big fuck off cataclysms

 

[inva]

Yeah ACAB and all that but the US police seem to be a special breed and Trump sending feds and troops into areas like Portland in defiance of the local authorities seems to be a new development unless I am wrong.

I don't see how it suggests a country on the brink of war or a state on the verge of collapse though.

 

[Orang Utan]

What cataclysms has he predicted which have come to pass? I don't mean the precursor events, I mean big fuck off cataclysms

Listen to the podcast

 

[Pickman's model]

Listen to the podcast

Before I do I'd like to gauge his record of successful prognostications of conflict
Unless he has no such record of course

 

[Orang Utan]

Before I do I'd like to gauge his record of successful prognostications of conflict
Unless he has no such record of course

OK, maybe give him a google then. He writes for Breitbart and is not the deceased Hollywood film producer

 

[Orang Utan]

when he was talking about Civil War, what does that mean? Does he define it?
I'm not dismissive of clashes, cultural and physical, but i find it hard to picture beyond small mob skirmishes

Again, give it a listen and find out for yourself. I’m no good at précis(es)

 

[frogwoman]

OK, maybe give him a google then. He writes for Breitbart and is not the deceased Hollywood film producer

Breitbart? Given his politics are you sure? He's an anarchist iirc

 

[Orang Utan]

Breitbart? Given his politics are you sure? He's an anarchist iirc

Oops Bellingcat!

 

[Streathamite]

The US seems to be falling apart. It wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of armed conflict at some point. Idris2002 mentioned this to me years ago

I doubt if it will get that far - the US as a nation-state is extraordinarily resilient - but there will be an almighty post-election eruption

 

[two sheds]

and possibly pre-election-result-announcement eruption to stop votes being counted

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Greatest democracy in the world, isn't it. Neither side is actively trying to garner votes by saying "we'll do A, B & C Good Things", it's all about who gets to vote and by what means, whose vote counts, and whose vote is delegitimised.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oops Bellingcat!

I was surprised to see you recommend something from breitbart

 

[Pickman's model]

I doubt if it will get that far - the US as a nation-state is extraordinarily resilient - but there will be an almighty post-election eruption

Loads of states now extinct have been resilient. Sooner or later all will fall. I am not sure of the extent to which the conglomeration of states in the federation is a nation state (are a nation state?)

 

[Streathamite]

Loads of states now extinct have been resilient. Sooner or later all will fall. I am not sure of the extent to which the conglomeration of states in the federation is a nation state (are a nation state?)

Sure it will - eventually. But we're nowhere near there, simply because too many believe in the federal entity that is the USA.

 

[ska invita]

Sure it will - eventually. But we're nowhere near there, simply because too many believe in the federal entity that is the USA.

Californian independence movement exists...

 

[NoXion]

Californian independence movement exists...

I've seen it being accused of being ginned up by the Chinese and/or the Russians. No idea how much truth is behind that.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've seen it being accused of being ginned up by the Chinese and/or the Russians. No idea how much truth is behind that.

Moonshine I expect

 

[NoXion]

Moonshine I expect

I suspect the truth is somewhat complicated. Interference from foreign powers is often blamed in an attempt to discredit independence movements, but also they really do pull that kind of shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suspect the truth is somewhat complicated. Interference from foreign powers is often blamed in an attempt to discredit independence movements, but also they really do pull that kind of shit.

Yeh but not sure about the gin

 

[Streathamite]

Californian independence movement exists...

Sure, ditto texas. However, were a legally binding secession referendum held tomorrow, they would vote overwhelmingly to stay within the Union.

 

[Streathamite]

Yeh but not sure about the gin

Am I the only one that's getting your liquor gag here?

 

[Pickman's model]

Sure, ditto texas. However, were a legally binding secession referendum held tomorrow, they would vote overwhelmingly to stay within the Union.

Or at least the people who have votes and haven't been prevented from enjoying the franchise would

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I the only one that's getting your liquor gag here?

I fear you are

 

[Streathamite]

Or at least the people who have votes and haven't been prevented from enjoying the franchise would

Sadly true.
However, in texas (and probably california) the independientista nutters are usually the r/wing, white, middle class types who never have a problem getting the vote

 

[krtek a houby]

And now... sedition?

Barr has made the antifa movement one of his main prosecution targets, despite there being little evidence that there is an organized antifa movement.

Bill Barr reportedly suggested bringing sedition charges against protesters

Can it get any more fucked up?