Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Pickman's model]

Not sure what martial law would mean in the US (have they ever done it?), but the right to join an armed militia is in their constitution. The military would presumably be able to allow space for militias, with some presidential discretion to define which were are weren't legitimate.

sure they did it between 1861 and at least 1865 in some of the states

 

[krtek a houby]

Violence (well, more violence) is coming, according to ex-ambassador

‘The US feels very volatile’: former ambassador warns of election violence

 

[frogwoman]

The US seems to be falling apart. It wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of armed conflict at some point. Idris2002 mentioned this to me years ago

 

[Pickman's model]

The US seems to be falling apart. It wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of armed conflict at some point. Idris2002 mentioned this to me years ago

It will all end in tears

 

[frogwoman]

The US as a state looks like it's not going to last much longer.

 

[Pickman's model]

The US as a state looks like it's not going to last much longer.

A failed state. Anyone who has read Stephen king's prophetick book 'the stand' will know where things are going

 

[frogwoman]

The assembled crowd wore a lot of red hats – but not many face masks. When CNN’s Jim Acosta asked one rally-goer why he was not wearing a mask, the reply captured the divided American reality as election day approaches.
“Because there’s no Covid,” the Trump supporter said. “It’s a fake pandemic. Created to destroy the United States of America.”

 

[frogwoman]

200k dead according to worldometers

 

[DaveCinzano]

200k dead according to worldometers

Communists, homosexuals and crisis actors, every last one

 

[frogwoman]

A failed state. Anyone who has read Stephen king's prophetick book 'the stand' will know where things are going

Seems to be heading to war tbh.

 

[ska invita]

Seems to be heading to war tbh.

Between who do you think?

 

[Pickman's model]

Seems to be heading to war tbh.

Maybe Charles Manson was out by 50 years

 

[frogwoman]

Between who do you think?

I'm not sure tbh. Maybe they don't even know.

 

[ska invita]

I'm not sure tbh. Maybe they don't even know.

Post Modern civil war.

 

[inva]

The US as a state looks like it's not going to last much longer.

Why do you think that? It's survived bigger crises.

 

[frogwoman]

Why do you think that? It's survived bigger crises.

It's not just covid. Loads of people over there have guns and are getting tooled up, and state institutions are regarded as illegitimate by swathes of the country (often for good reason) and in the case of the police seem to be totally out of control

 

[frogwoman]

Tbh I could be wrong but it doesn't look good

 

[Idris2002]

Maybe Charles Manson was out by 50 years

I'm reading that new book Chaos at the mo. The author doesn't seem to be a loon (though you never can tell these days) but he does seem to have uncovered disturbing links between Charlie Manson and MKULTRA.

 

[Idris2002]

A failed state. Anyone who has read Stephen king's prophetick book 'the stand' will know where things are going

There's a William Gibson novel (can't remember the title) in which the US has de facto fallen apart, but there's still a White House with a president in it. That might be a more likely outcome.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's a William Gibson novel (can't remember the title) in which the US has de facto fallen apart, but there's still a White House with a president in it. That might be a more likely outcome.

Oh I don't doubt there'll be a president in the white house

But he'll be dead and it will be ashes

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do you think that? It's survived bigger crises.

Not sure there is anything bigger than man-made climate change

 

[Idris2002]

Oh I don't doubt there'll be a president in the white house

But he'll be dead and it will be ashes

But in the meantime, in between time, ain't we got fun.

 

[Idris2002]

It's not just covid. Loads of people over there have guns and are getting tooled up, and state institutions are regarded as illegitimate by swathes of the country (often for good reason) and in the case of the police seem to be totally out of control

The prevalence of gun ownership might well act as a deterrent to the very worst happening. I did think that the move to pull down statues was chosen because the alternative was too horrifying to contemplate. Trouble is, what do you do after you run out of statues to pull down.

 

[inva]

It's not just covid. Loads of people over there have guns and are getting tooled up, and state institutions are regarded as illegitimate by swathes of the country (often for good reason) and in the case of the police seem to be totally out of control

I don't think most of those things are true though. Maybe about guns, but loads of people have always had guns there and spells of increased gun purchasing happen pretty often. Aside from that, I don't think there's much reason to believe the state has lost legitimacy across the majority of the country and there aren't currently any serious challenges to its authority. Not to mention a lot of these militia types seem to be acting in support of the state. I'd also question whether the police are really out of control or actually performing their function as intended. Isn't being 'out of control' part of the normal repertoire of police forces?

 

[Pickman's model]

But in the meantime, in between time, ain't we got fun.

Below the thunders of the upper deep...

 

[Idris2002]

Below the thunders of the upper deep...

Deep in the abyssal ooze, the Kraken sleeps?

 

[Pickman's model]

Deep in the abyssal ooze, the Kraken sleeps?

Yeh but cthulhu's awaiting an alarm call

The stars are nearly right

 

[Idris2002]

Yeh but cthulhu's awaiting an alarm call

The stars are nearly right

Who will be eaten first?

 

[Pickman's model]

Who will be eaten first?

The lucky ones

 

[frogwoman]

I don't think most of those things are true though. Maybe about guns, but loads of people have always had guns there and spells of increased gun purchasing happen pretty often. Aside from that, I don't think there's much reason to believe the state has lost legitimacy across the majority of the country and there aren't currently any serious challenges to its authority. Not to mention a lot of these militia types seem to be acting in support of the state. I'd also question whether the police are really out of control or actually performing their function as intended. Isn't being 'out of control' part of the normal repertoire of police forces?

Yeah ACAB and all that but the US police seem to be a special breed and Trump sending feds and troops into areas like Portland in defiance of the local authorities seems to be a new development unless I am wrong.