Iran eyes badges for Jews and Christians

[Christian Man]

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Do you have a comment, or are you just indulging yourself in a little cut-and-paste?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Incidentally, this story's a crock, isn't it?

 

[nino_savatte]

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

Er, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you post that on this thread? Here's your post.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4579699&postcount=49

I replied to that post with an article that stated this article was false. Be right back.

Here it is.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4579730&postcount=50

Enjoy.

 

[Jonti]

Alarming, very alarming. But also from the cited source

(Mr. Ahmadinejad) has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

That quote throws doubt on the this current report. Whatever Mr. Ahmadinejad said earlier, he did not use the English expression "wiped off the map." It's a translation. Are there any Farsi speakers here that could offer a more literal translation of what he actually said?

 

[Jonti]

... independent reporter Meir Javdanfar, an Israeli Middle East expert who was born and raised in Tehran, says the report is false.
"It's absolutely factually incorrect," he told The New 940 Montreal.
"Nowhere in the law is there any talk of Jews and Christians having to wear different colours. I've checked it with sources both inside Iran and outside."
"The Iranian people would never stand for it. The Iranian government wouldn't be stupid enough to do it."

...

The National Post cites Iranian expatriots living in Canada as its primary source on the story

This reminds me of Iraqi expatriots who pretended the WMD threat was real. Trying to kill for Christ are you, Christian Man?

source supplied by nino

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Alarming, very alarming. But also from the cited sourceThat quote throws doubt on the this current report. Whatever Mr. Ahmadinejad said earlier, he did not use the English expression "wiped off the map." It's a translation. Are there any Farsi speakers here that could offer a more literal translation of what he actually said?

Juan Cole's been saying this for a while, and Hitchens attacked him for it. I understand that MEMRI's translation also does not use that phrase.

Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map" with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html

 

[rachamim18]

Jonti: While I do not speak Farsi I do have the official translation into English of his speech. He was repeating the words of Khomeini who did in fact say those words. If you care to see it for yourself, it is now available on voltaire.net among other places. the English translation was done by the Iranian student group to whom Ahmadinejad was offering those words.


The post by Juan Cole is a joke. Please check the speech.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Why not help us by posting a link?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Do you have a comment, or are you just indulging yourself in a little cut-and-paste?

I think he's just trying to be part of the "lets build up the propoganda reasons for war" party...

 

[tangentlama]

`Don't Buy It'

The National Post cites Iranian expatriots living in Canada as it's main source on the story.
The Post story can be read here: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

The story has now been pulled from the National Post, and they're now running a story about how the rumours are untrue, but still pushing the 'minority report' 'whether it was true or not, and how Iran is still potentially capable of thinking and doing such things. Of coure no-one questions the mind of the person who is imagining that Iran is capable of doing 'dreadful things' even though it goes against all previous evidence.

The new story:
Experts say report of badges for Jews in Iran is untrue. The image which the National Post have chosen to go with this article, automatically invokes Godwin's law, but it would be more helpful to refer in this instane, to Leo Strauss's phrase 'Reductio ad Hitleram'

 

[rachamim18]

Fridge: It is on voltaire.net which has its own search engine but I will remember to bringit with me when i leave towmorrow anyway and post it. I think that this forum would benefit from having it .

 

[lostexpectation]

the du'ers have debunked and shown the the anatomy of the line already, the man wo originally wrote it works for a Bush/neocon PR firm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1238695#1238809

 

[tangentlama]

ADL Statement on Unconfirmed Reports of Iranian 'Dress Code'

New York, NY, May 19, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today issued the following statement in response to unconfirmed reports that the Iranian parliament may be considering a "dress code" bill that would include badges or other identifying marks for non-Muslims:

While it is factual that the Iranian parliament is considering some kind of dress code, there is no evidence of any discussion or legislation concerning badges or the like for Jews and others. Clearly, dress codes imposed by a government on a people are one more example of the backwardness of the regime, and would be unhealthy for all groups, including minorities. How this could affect Jews, Christians and other minorities is not immediately known.

We will continue to monitor the situation in Iran as this story develops and will make further comment when more information about the proposed Iranian law comes to light.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslEx_61/4819_61.htm

Clearly!

Of coures, there are never enforced dress codes anywheren the US!

 

[phildwyer]

I thınk we can now pretty much ıgnore all maınstream press reports about Iran as transparent attempts to prepare the Western publıc for war.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Thought this smelled fishy.

No surprise given that the source is from neo-con PR outfit Benador Associates.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/2826

http://www.benadorassociates.com/taheri.php

I think we can expect a lot of these 'Babies thrown from incubators'/'Belgian nuns raped by the evil Hun' type stories over the next few months.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I see it's made it into Worthy News....

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Coincidentally (well, not entirely coincidentally, he spends a lot of time writing about Iran) Juan Cole just posted about this one too:

Maurice Motamed, the representative of the Iranian Jewish community in Iran's parliament, has strongly denied the rumors started by Canada's National Post that the Iranian legislature has passed a law requiring members of religious communities to wear identifying badges.

The report was also denied on Montreal radio by Meir Javedanfar, Middle East Analyst and the Director for the Middle East Economic and Political Analysis Company.

The National Post is owned by Conrad Black and is not a repository of expertise about Iran. it is typical of black psychological operations campaigns that they begin with a plant in an obscure newspaper that is then picked up by the mainstream press. Once the Jerusalem Post picks it up, then reporters can source it there, even though the Post has done no original reporting and has just depended on the National Post article, which is extremely vague in its own sourcing (to "human rights groups").

The actual legislation passed by the Iranian parliament regulates women's fashion, and urges the establishment of a national fashion house that would make Islamically appropriate clothing. There is a vogue for "Islamic chic" among many middle class Iranian women that involves, for instance, wearing expensive boots that cover the legs and so, it is argued, are permitted under Iranian law. The scruffy, puritanical Ahmadinejad and his backers among the hardliners in parliament are waging a new and probably doomed struggle against the young Iranian fashionistas. (The Khomeinists give the phrase "fashion police" a whole new meaning).

There is nothing in this legislation that prescribes a dress code or badges for Iranian religious minorities, and Maurice Motamed was present during its drafting and says nothing like that was even discussed.

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/another-fraud-on-iran-no-legislation.html

 

[nino_savatte]

Fridge: It is on voltaire.net which has its own search engine but I will remember to bringit with me when i leave towmorrow anyway and post it. I think that this forum would benefit from having it .

Yeah, right...and pigs might fly.

 

[El Jugador]

Thought this smelled fishy.

No surprise given that the source is from neo-con PR outfit Benador Associates.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/2826

http://www.benadorassociates.com/taheri.php

I think we can expect a lot of these 'Babies thrown from incubators'/'Belgian nuns raped by the evil Hun' type stories over the next few months.

I can't understand how anyone can get away with this kind of crap though - Surely the planting of fake news stories in order to pave the way for a war is a far, far bigger story than the ins and outs of Islamic fashion dogma?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I can't understand how anyone can get away with this kind of crap though - Surely the planting of fake news stories in order to pave the way for a war is a far, far bigger story than the ins and outs of Islamic fashion dogma?

Well, the way it works I think is that once one of these stories is out, people like the dickhead who started this thread run around frantically spreading the story, but ignoring the retraction. Then a little while later, another propaganda item is manufactured and the process begins all over again.

 

[moono]

ns;

Yeah, right...and pigs might fly.

In Rachamimworld there are delta-winged porkers.

 

[nino_savatte]

I posted this on Christian Man's duplicate thread

Iran was an incipient democracy in 1953, but Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh -- chosen by an elected parliament and hugely popular among Iranians -- angered the West by nationalizing his country's oil industry. President Eisenhower sent the CIA to depose him. The coup was successful, but it set the stage for future disaster.
The CIA placed Mohammed Reza Pahlavi back on the Peacock Throne. His repressive rule led, 25 years later, to the Islamic Revolution. That revolution brought to power a clique of bitterly anti-Western mullahs who have spent the decades since working intensely, and sometimes violently, to undermine U.S. interests around the world.
If the Eisenhower administration had refrained from direct intervention against Iran in 1953, this religious regime probably would never have come to power. There would be no nuclear crisis. Iran might instead have become a thriving democracy in the heart of the Muslim Middle East.
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_3844343

It's obvious that this thread is part of an effort to get the public behind a future invasion of Iran. While this sounds like paranoid fantasising on my part, it should be borne in mind that the US is also involved in a war of information. Spreading rubbish like this helps to get people's backs up and thus prepare them for conflict with a largely dehumanised 'enemy'.

 

[nino_savatte]

ns;


In Rachamimworld there are delta-winged porkers.

Quite.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Coincidentally (well, not entirely coincidentally, he spends a lot of time writing about Iran) Juan Cole just posted about this one too:



http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/another-fraud-on-iran-no-legislation.html

But Fridge, the great and wise sage Rachamim18 has told us that Cole's post on Ahmedinedjad's speech was "a joke", and set us on the path to true enlightenment with his promise of a link.

Surely this means that all of Cole's output is suspect, and that he is an abomination unto man?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Is this 'joke' in the sense of funny or 'joke' in the sense of 'eminently well qualified commentator saying something r18 doesn't want to hear and has no decent argument to counter'?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is this 'joke' in the sense of funny or 'joke' in the sense of 'eminently well qualified commentator saying something r18 doesn't want to hear and has no decent argument to counter'?

You dare blaspheme by implying that the great Rachamim has no decent arguments?

Truly will your testicles shrivel unto the size of acorns and be imbued with a fetor not unlike that of dead weasel!

 

[Genghis Cohen]

Are there any Farsi speakers here that could offer a more literal translation of what he actually said?

"Very soon, this stain of disgrace will be purged from the center of the Islamic world"

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Fans of Harry's Place will be delighted and unsurprised to learn that they fell for this one.

 

[Jonti]

Sorry Genghis, I don't think you can translate Farsi -- apologies if I'm wrong. Can you? It would be good for you to show your source if the translation is not your own. Anyway, Fridge Magnet already posted an answer to my question ...

... The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad) ...