Implications for the rest of us if Scotland votes yes

[DotCommunist]

Not a chance they'd get thge same membership as UK immediately. Can you see the Eastern European newbies agreeing when they had to meet loads of new criteria but the Scots wouldn't? It'll be blocked, no chance of it being agreed by the agreed date for seperation. That said, Scotland would get, wotchamacallit, the favoured nation status, like the Swedes have, which would be more than good enough for them.

the other scandies are largely under the EFTA which might be an option...movement of labour isn't seamless under that though so who knows.

 

[belboid]

EFTA! That's the beggar

 

[butchersapron]

EFTA the oil runs out.

 

[Diamond]

When you say that it should be i take it that you're not referring to the large amount of rather more informed and experienced legal opinion than you that says, well it might not be?

My specialist practice area is an area of EU law. No-one I work with - partners, QCs, senior associates holds a radically different opinion from the one that I put forward.

Maybe you can refer me to authorities stating the contrary?

 

[phildwyer]

the other scandies

I suppose that geographically speaking, and perhaps politically speaking too, an independent Scotland would be part of Scandanavia. Once again.

 

[butchersapron]

My specialist practice area is an area of EU law. No-one I work with - partners, QCs, senior associates holds a radically different opinion from the one that I put forward.

Maybe you can refer me to authorities stating the contrary?

What sort of EU law? The law governing the various treaties and member states obligations? is this your specialist area of practice?

Of course.

 

[DotCommunist]

I suppose that geographically speaking, and perhaps politically speaking too, an independent Scotland would be part of Scandanavia.

arc of prosperity.

 

[phildwyer]

arc of prosperity.

The Shetlands are closer to Oslo than to Edinburgh.

Don't they speak a Norwegian dialect up there too?

 

[DotCommunist]

all I know of those island groups is that faroe knitwear is considered to be THE last word in endurance and quality

 

[Diamond]

Not a chance they'd get thge same membership as UK immediately. Can you see the Eastern European newbies agreeing when they had to meet loads of new criteria but the Scots wouldn't? It'll be blocked, no chance of it being agreed by the agreed date for seperation. That said, Scotland would get, wotchamacallit, the favoured nation status, like the Swedes have, which would be more than good enough for them.

Not sure you think why the Scots would even get MFN status...

It may well go the other way with many member states and the Brussels set seeking to punish not reward a region that has so destabilised the EU and set a precedent for secession, not integration.

 

[butchersapron]

My specialist practice area is an area of EU law. No-one I work with - partners, QCs, senior associates holds a radically different opinion from the one that I put forward.

Maybe you can refer me to authorities stating the contrary?

Hang on - are you now an authority? On what basis? Your above assertions? Show us your bona fides then.

Here's one. Here's another.

 

[phildwyer]

all I know of those island groups is that faroe knitwear is considered to be THE last word in endurance and quality

I don't think anyone knows much about those places.

I do however know that the Orkneys and Shetlands were part of Norway until the C15th. Perhaps they will secede from an independent Scotland.

 

[belboid]

Not sure you think why the Scots would even get MFN status...

It may well go the other way with many member states and the Brussels set seeking to punish not reward a region that has so destabilised the EU and set a precedent for secession, not integration.

they'd want them to join eventually. If only to annoy rUK

 

[DotCommunist]

Not sure you think why the Scots would even get MFN status...

It may well go the other way with many member states and the Brussels set seeking to punish not reward a region that has so destabilised the EU and set a precedent for secession, not integration.

if a region seccedes then reapplies to the EU how is it destabilising? Surely any newly minted nation (or in this case re-minted) immediatly applying for membership to the EU only strengthens the federalist project?

 

[belboid]

Hang on - are you now an authority? On what basis? Your above assertions? Show us your bona fides then.

Here's one. Here's another.

they're all bullshitters, tho. The EU will end up doing whatever is most politically expedient, and they'll find the appropriate laws afterwards.

 

[butchersapron]

they're all bullshitters, tho. The EU will end up doing whatever is most politically expedient, and they'll find the appropriate laws afterwards.

That's exactly what the two people i linked to actually said. Why do i bother?

 

[belboid]

ohh, I couldn't be arsed to actually read past the opening paragraph

 

[Belushi]

I don't think anyone knows much about those places.

I do however know that the Orkneys and Shetlands were part of Norway until the C15th. Perhaps they will secede from an independent Scotland.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael

 

[Combustible]

Given that energy security is a massive strategic priority at the moment for the EU, it is hard to see how Scotland would be allowed to sit outside for very long.

 

[chilango]

The Shetlands are closer to Oslo than to Edinburgh.

Don't they speak a Norwegian dialect up there too?

Norn is the dialect iirc. It hasn't been a distinct, living language for some time afaik, though obviously words will have survived and passed into the local version Of Scots/English. I suspect there have been attempts at revival too.

Eta. Yup...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norn_language

 

[DotCommunist]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael

who could have guessed orkney and shetland would be the final bastions of libdemmery

 

[belboid]

the other scandies are largely under the EFTA which might be an option...movement of labour isn't seamless under that though so who knows.

hang on, dont you get duty free from EFTA countries? If so, that's the perfect solution - duty free whisky!!

 

[DotCommunist]

alas, I fear the dover-calais run will still prove more popular.

 

[Diamond]

What sort of EU law? The law governing the various treaties and member states obligations? is this your specialist area of practice?

Of course.

Competition, Antitrust and Trade.

Principally articles 101 and 102 of TFEU.

 

[belboid]

alas, I fear the dover-calais run will still prove more popular.

Not for me it wont.

 

[butchersapron]

Competition, Antitrust and Trade.

Principally articles 101 and 102 of TFEU.

So no, nothing to do with anything relevant at all. Bluff successfully called.

 

[Buckaroo]

Hang on - are you now an authority? On what basis? Your above assertions? Show us your bona fides then.

Tbf he's not claiming to be an authority, just that his specialist practice area in this shit gives him a unique insight and his betters are of the same opinion about the same shit. Sounds like an expert. Don't know why he bothers, I really don't.

 

[Diamond]

So no, nothing to do with anything relevant at all. Bluff called.

Do you know what one of the main goals of EU competition law is? (notably in contrast to US antitrust law)

...the creation and maintenance of a single market.

It's fundamentally constitutional in nature.

But you carry on, I'm sure you have a plethora of experience in the field of EU law and a multitude of resources and expert opinions to draw upon...

 

[leanderman]

alas, I fear the dover-calais run will still prove more popular.

does anyone still do that?

 

[butchersapron]

Do you know what one of the main goals of EU competition law is? (notably in contrast to US antitrust law)

...the creation and maintenance of a single market.

It's fundamentally constitutional in nature.

But you carry on, I'm sure you have a plethora of experience in the field of EU law and a multitude of resources and expert opinions to draw upon...

An authority they say? Double bluff win Go on, one more.