cantsin
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you'd think you'd have to be a bit feckin slow on the uptake for that guff to "inform your judgement" - but it seems to be informing yours all right.
Implications for the rest of us if Scotland votes yes
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you'd think you'd have to be a bit feckin slow on the uptake for that guff to "inform your judgement" - but it seems to be informing yours all right.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
On a purely emotional level, I for one would hate to see the Scots leave the UK.
I’ve always felt that Scotland and Wales were as much my home as anywhere else in the UK and that Scottish heritage is also my heritage. I’ll never be able to think of Scotland as a foreign country, just as it will be hard for me to visit Scotland as a ‘foreigner’. I reckon I’ve got more in common with many Scots than I have with many here in England and that’s true of a lot of English people.
On a political level and as a socialist I can see why Scots might want to sever links with a Tory dominated Westminster, but I dislike nationalist driven politics - I prefer to see people unite rather than put up artificial barriers between them, especially likeminded people.
I’ve always felt that Scotland and Wales were as much my home as anywhere else in the UK and that Scottish heritage is also my heritage. I’ll never be able to think of Scotland as a foreign country, just as it will be hard for me to visit Scotland as a ‘foreigner’. I reckon I’ve got more in common with many Scots than I have with many here in England and that’s true of a lot of English people.
On a political level and as a socialist I can see why Scots might want to sever links with a Tory dominated Westminster, but I dislike nationalist driven politics - I prefer to see people unite rather than put up artificial barriers between them, especially likeminded people.
ska invita
back on the other side
"The Scottish Police Federation has suggested that the media and no campaigners are exaggerating the level of aggression employed in the campaign by yes supporters."
http://www.spf.org.uk/2014/09/spf-media-release-independence-referendum-2/
ska invita
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Laurie will have a new article out before you know it
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where is the quote from? It's not from the article - as it doesn't mention YES supporters at all.
Isn't that release directed more towards the SPF's frustration at being asked to speculate on public disorder in the wake of the referendum?
It doesn't seem to touch on media bias at all, for instance.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Grauniad update from 10.48 this morning.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which they confusingly make look like that comedian said it rather than it being their own tendentious reading of the SPF piece - effectively demonstrating their reporting cannot be trusted - one way or the other.
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ska invita
back on the other side
yeah im just parroting - too busy to read it
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/spain-independent-scotland-years-eu-membership
As expected the Spanish government have recoiled at a "yes" vote. They're certainly not the most influential EU member, having had the terms of their bailout dictated by the Troika and with their economy in tatters, but they still theoretically hold a pretty powerful veto on new membership.
Not much from Juncker or Merkel yet though.
If there is a "yes" vote, it'll be fascinating to see how that impacts on the proposals for an EU referendum in the UK.
As expected the Spanish government have recoiled at a "yes" vote. They're certainly not the most influential EU member, having had the terms of their bailout dictated by the Troika and with their economy in tatters, but they still theoretically hold a pretty powerful veto on new membership.
Not much from Juncker or Merkel yet though.
If there is a "yes" vote, it'll be fascinating to see how that impacts on the proposals for an EU referendum in the UK.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Possibly setting up an excuse to dispute the result. Obvious desperation in any case.
That's pretty damning, but are the media reporting their concerns?, I won't hold my breath.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's pretty damning? Did you actually read it?
I've never thought of anywhere as a 'foreign' country. The whole concept of 'foreign' is foreign to me. I think most people find that they have most things in common with most other people wherever they go. Scotland won't become any more 'foreign' to me when it is independent.
I think he's just got hot keys set up to save time posting - f1: that's a damning indictment of the left, f2: look at this incredible comment on Guardian CiF etc.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't give me ideas - that sounds like a pretty sweet set up, throw in some randomising stuff and no one would ever know.
19sixtysix
Life as viewed from a Gay Gorbals Garret
I wonder if the spanish fishermen will leave Scotland's waters. I think their prime minister maybe asked to think again if he vetos.
Tankus
Amused OAP
You think ..?..either way years of horse trading and manoeuvring ......with salmond stroking himself raw with every minute of it .....
Even though I've no part ..I'm looking forward to it ..I think it will cause a bigger turnout in the 2015 elections as those south of the border see the engagement of the north and want to be a part of that ....good news for Farage perhaps
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
If there is a "yes" vote I anticipate a massive parallel progressive movement for northern devolution.
And the tory scum can forever be labelled as the party who broke the union with their disgusting behaviour. There should be chaos in the party, and it's less than they deserve.
And the tory scum can forever be labelled as the party who broke the union with their disgusting behaviour. There should be chaos in the party, and it's less than they deserve.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why would you anticipate that? Around 2/3 of the seats in the NW and yorks are tory.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It was Thatchers fault if it happens- this would be her victory from beyond the grave. Tally the voting support for YES with people who grew up late 70s-mid 90s and you'll see why.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Your going by area, not by population of course. I would anticipate it from the big cities, inspired by the momentum. Of course, it wouldn't guarantee success but anyhow...
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Butchers - sorry if you've answered this, but have you said what you think the result will be?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think you're being ridiculous. Constituencies are pretty much allocated by population. i'd love to see some form of regional attack on the centres of power - but a) this isn't it and b) you wishing something to happen doesn't mean it will happen. There is no support for this stuff right now - what there is is majority opposition to Scottish independence (not on an anti-scottish basis). Out of the bubble!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
my work colleague says that he reckons people are just pretending to say they'll vote no because "the scots are very shrewd"
also, that people in England might beat Scottish people up who say they're going to vote vote yes because "in the war people didn't go around saying I'm a blazing hot Nazi"
also, that people in England might beat Scottish people up who say they're going to vote vote yes because "in the war people didn't go around saying I'm a blazing hot Nazi"
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No i haven't.
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