Implications for the rest of us if Scotland votes yes

[ska invita]

Perhaps because the SNP wouldn't want to advertise the fact that an independent Scotland might be over dependent on burning more fossil fuels?

perhaps... they've been making the financial oil case based on current North Sea reserves though

 

[Sue]

Perhaps because the SNP wouldn't want to advertise the fact that an independent Scotland might be over dependent on burning more fossil fuels?

You do know that Scotland exports a quarter of the electricity it generates and about a quarter of the total energy generated comes from renewables..?

Eta useful link from the Westminster government.
https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...les-northern-ireland-and-england-2008-to-2011

 

[Anonymous1]

Tommy Sheridan is the first person Ive heard mention it - is it not otherwise a plank in the Yes campaign or did I miss a meeting?

It's there and not only that, there's more than they originally thought.

Scotland could be sitting on more than double the amount of oil and gas reserves currently predicted, a new independent industry investigation has found. The investigation reveals that the scale of Scotland’s untapped frontier West Coast or Atlantic Margin has been underestimated.

Pretty sure there's an important (to some) nuclear shipping lane in that direction though.
Trident has to go first and a YES win will see that happen.

 

[butchersapron]

It's there and not only that, there's more than they originally thought.



Pretty sure there's an important (to some) nuclear shipping lane in that direction though.
Trident has to go first and a YES win will see that happen.

If the SNP's plan to allow fellow NATO members nuclear warships and submarines to pass through the area and use the existing ports (without even having to inform the govt) then it wouldn't matter if trident is got rid of or not would it? The same blocks to development would surely exist?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Great rabble-rousing stuff, but surely Tommy S. is permanently tanned now?

Fixed that for you.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

http://emeraldnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/something-fishy-in-the-scottish-polls/

Over the latter stages of the campaign the BBC have been found to remove Yes supporters from the background of its ‘special reports’ and Photoshop ‘No’ signs where there were none.

 

[Dogsauce]

The No campaign has brought out their secret weapon - a promise from Clegg. I can't see the Yes campaign overcoming this, frankly.

 

[DotCommunist]

pravda cunts

 

[DotCommunist]

The No campaign has brought out their secret weapon - a promise from Clegg. I can't see the Yes campaign overcoming this, frankly.

perhaps he should draw up some sort of covenant

 

[butchersapron]

http://emeraldnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/something-fishy-in-the-scottish-polls/

Whilst the BBC is shit etc this unsupported claim of photoshopping on that site isn't exactly the sort of sterling journalism that could ever seriously challenge it. In fact, it's just that sort of stuff that allows the BBC to pose as providing neutral disinterested reporting.

 

[phildwyer]

Great rabble-rousing stuff, but surely Tommy S. is permanently tainted now?

Not if you ask me. I still think he's great--and that's after discussing him at length with people who know him and hate him, both by PM on here and irl. I've heard nothing to put me off the guy at all. And I suspect an awful lot of people feel like me.

 

[phildwyer]

Great rabble-rousing stuff, but surely Tommy S. is permanently tainted now?

DP, so I might as well use it to say: we should try for a referendum in Wales next!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

DP, so I might as well use it to say: we should try for a referendum in Wales next!

Ah 'we'.

You love the place so much you could almost bring yourself to live there.

 

[phildwyer]

Ah 'we'.

You love the place so much you could almost bring yourself to live there.

I do live there, as much as I live anywhere. And if we got independence I would naturally consider it my duty to return permanently and offer my services.

 

[Celyn]

So the oil is still there and theoretically in an independent Scotland’s territorial waters. Why isn't this common knowledge or is just me who had no idea about this?

I was looking to find out about this a few months back, BUT I would have made some nice bookmarky/favourite links that I can't access right now, 'cos different computer, different browser and all that gremliny shit - very possibly able to find them tomorrow evening if I rudely grab my Dad's computer when I visit him. If find, will post.

I recall an MSP, Chic Brodie, asked questions about it.

Ah, see if this is any use.

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.ph...light-lower-firth-of-clyde-oil-boom-potential

 

[Celyn]

Perhaps because the SNP wouldn't want to advertise the fact that an independent Scotland might be over dependent on burning more fossil fuels?

Scotland is doing not too badly re. renewables. 40% in 2013. I don't think the headline of this "Guardian" article will be accurate, but it's interesting anyway:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/19/england-lights-scotland-renewable-energy

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Scotland is doing not too badly re. renewables. 40% in 2013. I don't think the headline of this "Guardian" article will be accurate, but it's interesting anyway:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/19/england-lights-scotland-renewable-energy

So they will largely be relying on other people burning fuel.

 

[Frankie Jack]

So they will largely be relying on other people burning fuel.

Peelywally southerners that can't handle a cool breeze possibly.

 

[Anonymous1]

If the SNP's plan to allow fellow NATO members nuclear warships and submarines to pass through the area and use the existing ports (without even having to inform the govt) then it wouldn't matter if trident is got rid of or not would it? The same blocks to development would surely exist?

If the Nats carryout that plan then yes answers the former, but they needn't neccessarily be to the same extent as under current operations.
And yes, the SNP will more than likely be in power if Independence is achieved so they will have the chance to act on it for a short time but we know the political landscape will be shifted even if it takes some time to settle.
It wouldn't be a smart move for the SNP to fight for, and promise, the removal of Trident as a cental matter to then explain to the electorate that this new self-determining country can't actually access it's abundant natural resources as the nukes are still doing laps of the rUK and playing war games with NATO.

The SNP could soon become irrelevant if Independence is achieved. They may aswell break up and go their seperate political ways as i doubt there would be a great appetite for a nationalistic party and if there was it wouldn't consist of the same personnel as the Nats.

The SNP have their white paper but the most important thing is this will all be decided by the people of Scotland upon independence, or not.

 

[Kaka Tim]

There are several questions which both sides have studiously avoided answering - such as

What happens to Poundland?
Whats the story with who gets Ballymorry?

 

[treelover]

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-view...l-boom-in-the-clyde-heseltine-admits-1.446273

Wow...

 

[treelover]

It's there and not only that, there's more than they originally thought.



Pretty sure there's an important (to some) nuclear shipping lane in that direction though.
Trident has to go first and a YES win will see that happen.

Greens won't be too happy about an abundance of fossil fuels.

 

[treelover]

Peelywally southerners that can't handle a cool breeze possibly.

had to google that, must say I've noticed a resurgence online of Scottish vernacular.

 

[danny la rouge]

There are several questions which both sides have studiously avoided answering - such as

What happens to Poundland?

If we become independent, they'll go out of business because there'll be no Workfare to staff the shops.

Whats the story with who gets Ballymorry?

It was left to Miss Hoolie in Archie the Inventor's will.

 

[Dillinger4]

The only question I want answered is what will happen to the Shipping Forecast.

 

[belboid]

The only question I want answered is what will happen to the Shipping Forecast.

Shannon & Southeast Iceland aren't exactly UK waters already

 

[treelover]

If we become independent, they'll go out of business because there'll be no Workfare to staff the shops.

It was left to Miss Hoolie in Archie the Inventor's will.

Is stopping workfare guaranteed then?, I hope so, weakens the principle here then as well.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Is stopping workfare guaranteed then?, I hope so, weakens the principle here then as well.

One of the 'powers' offered a few weeks ago was over Workfare.

 

[treelover]

Great news.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Ah 'we'.

You love the place so much you could almost bring yourself to live there.

What's your problem with migrants?