Hundreds form human shield in Gaza
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Grandma: Even though I have just addrressed Ms. Corrie in tet another thread, I will reiterate what I have told you here earlier. Simply go to Wiki, use its search engine, type in her name, and voila! Your wish will be fufilled [but your dreams shattered].
Even though I also agressed the issue of the girl allegedly hit by 17 bullets, I will just reiterate that you have neither her age nor the number of shells correct so why would anyone wish to debate you if you cannot even get these elementary facts halfway correct? Do not despair...I have explained THAT whole brouhaha in the aforementioned other thread.
Mauvais: Should yuou stop sipping your cute juice and also examine the afore mentioned thread I imagine that you will have other things to deal wht rather than drinking games.
Even though I also agressed the issue of the girl allegedly hit by 17 bullets, I will just reiterate that you have neither her age nor the number of shells correct so why would anyone wish to debate you if you cannot even get these elementary facts halfway correct? Do not despair...I have explained THAT whole brouhaha in the aforementioned other thread.
Mauvais: Should yuou stop sipping your cute juice and also examine the afore mentioned thread I imagine that you will have other things to deal wht rather than drinking games.
Grandma Death
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rachamim18 said:
You really are a tosser do you know that.
Here's the link for the whole board:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
NOWHERE in that link is there ANY information that the ISM admitted they doctored those photos. Yet you have consistently claimed this to the forum like it is a fact.
Admit it....go on. Save face...admit you cannot provide this forum with a link to any such claimed fact by yourself.
You've been caught lying again. I have consistently asked you for a link and you have evaded providing me with such instead pointing me to Wikipedia that makes no mention of your claim.
No wonder people have nothing but contempt for you-your full of shit and a liar.
PK: No, I am not from Brooklyn. I was born in Manhattan but have lived the majority of my life in Israel. In America I lived in the Bronx, as if it makes a difference. All Jews descend from Jews who lived in what is now called Israel. In my case, my father's family lived in Hevron until they were massacarred in the early 1920s with their entire community. They then went to Syria but you get the point.
Grandma: If you will notice, nobody is joining in with you except for the usual personality followers because in this very forum we had a thread about the admission. You were not here then so of course you would not know. Anyway, if you want the admission, I will, as time permits, fimnd time to find the verbatim admission although the link you just posted DOES allude to it in the part about rebuttals.
Why should people have contempt for a man they have never met? Actually, I get more fanmail than comments of contempt. My personal messages are quite nice. Either way it is of no relevance. People like you need to realise that this forum is not about finding out liars , etc. It is about civil and mature discussion of relevant subjects. You do not ask for the admission to better your knowledge of the event but rather in hopes of showing me up and then being able to once more bberate me. Sad indeed. Would you like some recommendations as to hobbies or mental health centres in your neck of the woods? I really should not add to the joki9ng but you bring it upon yourself with youe terrible attitude. Please get with the program, which of course is intelligent debate, not ad hom attacks.
Grandma: If you will notice, nobody is joining in with you except for the usual personality followers because in this very forum we had a thread about the admission. You were not here then so of course you would not know. Anyway, if you want the admission, I will, as time permits, fimnd time to find the verbatim admission although the link you just posted DOES allude to it in the part about rebuttals.
Why should people have contempt for a man they have never met? Actually, I get more fanmail than comments of contempt. My personal messages are quite nice. Either way it is of no relevance. People like you need to realise that this forum is not about finding out liars , etc. It is about civil and mature discussion of relevant subjects. You do not ask for the admission to better your knowledge of the event but rather in hopes of showing me up and then being able to once more bberate me. Sad indeed. Would you like some recommendations as to hobbies or mental health centres in your neck of the woods? I really should not add to the joki9ng but you bring it upon yourself with youe terrible attitude. Please get with the program, which of course is intelligent debate, not ad hom attacks.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
Yes....*yawn* in time...its always the same with you. Why dont you admit that the claim you made is actually incorrect and save face? You wont however I'm sure. Its why very few (if any) take you seriously on this forum. You are an apologist who cant even back up your own excuses.
You think this is about berating you...please dont flatter yourself. Its about the constant stream of propaganda that spills out in your every post. Yes I have decided to push you on the issue because you should be exposed for what you are-a liar who cant back up a great deal of what you claim.
Ive done with you...you truely are a waste of cyberspace.
Gumbert: Again, why don't you concentrate on issues instead of people who post? For the record, I have never been a "Settler," nor do I support their movement.
Grandma: As we speak I have someone in America going through my papers and I will have the admission you cannot seem to find yourself. All you have to do though is simply look at the two alleged photos of her on her knees [wait! did not ISM claim that the D9 operator could see her because she stood ASTRIDE the mound???]. In one there is a very discernible treeline off in the distance. In the second it disappears, showing that they were taken in two different places on two different dates. Those are the photos for which ISM was forced to eat Crow...after Reuters pressured them no less. It was discussed in this very forum in case it has not occurred to you why none of the old heads here have chimed in on your side.
"Taking me seriously in this forum." Well, first off, I do not sek nor need validatrion from cyberspace. In that vein though, I offer that I certainly get much more fan mail than anything else in my PM box.
As for being take seriously [again], unlike people who call themselves "GrandmaDeath" or whatever, I post under my actual birth name Rachamim Ben Ami. I also have offered my home adress while in America no less than 3 times, as well as my place of employment andjobsite [union construction with Local 731NYC, Excavators, last jobsite being the 145th St. Bridge]. I have also given my complete military stats to cut to the chase and do away with people like you who seek to win a debate by trying to nullifying the person with whom they are supposed to be rationally discussing a pertinent subject.
Why do you rabidly attack people? What enrages you so? Is it the issue? I hope so. If it is, you and the issue are much better served with a controlled and rational take on events. Otherwise you risk [perhaps past that already] coming off like a nutjob. I will provide the admission and then what will you do? Probably a simple one lined response of "That is all I asked for anyway." So sad...
You claim it is about propaganda...yet I wonder, why is it that the blatant propaganda being pushed by the opposite viewpoint does not seem to disturb you in the least? That marks a clear indication that you are not being forthright.
And then you end your post with,"I'm done with you." Typical, so typical. Your loss. For the life of me I have never, ever understood why people would want to surround themselves with people who express the same opinion is beyond me. If that is your ideaof fun, buy a parakeet.
Fez: Are you even aware of why I use quotationa marks with that word? Obviously not. Here, I will help you. Prior to 48, all people born in the Mandate were known to be "Palestinians." Ariel Sharon's birth certificate says he is a "Palestinian." Get the point yet? After Israel offered a new label for Jews living in the Mandate in 47/48, Arabs coopted the term. Ergo, prior to 48 there was no such thing as an Arab known as a "Palestinian." The word still surrounds itself in confusion."
I also use quotations with any other word that has a different possible meanings. For example, "West Bank," does this bother you as well? Only foreigners refer to that land as such. That is why I use quotations there.
Grandma: As we speak I have someone in America going through my papers and I will have the admission you cannot seem to find yourself. All you have to do though is simply look at the two alleged photos of her on her knees [wait! did not ISM claim that the D9 operator could see her because she stood ASTRIDE the mound???]. In one there is a very discernible treeline off in the distance. In the second it disappears, showing that they were taken in two different places on two different dates. Those are the photos for which ISM was forced to eat Crow...after Reuters pressured them no less. It was discussed in this very forum in case it has not occurred to you why none of the old heads here have chimed in on your side.
"Taking me seriously in this forum." Well, first off, I do not sek nor need validatrion from cyberspace. In that vein though, I offer that I certainly get much more fan mail than anything else in my PM box.
As for being take seriously [again], unlike people who call themselves "GrandmaDeath" or whatever, I post under my actual birth name Rachamim Ben Ami. I also have offered my home adress while in America no less than 3 times, as well as my place of employment andjobsite [union construction with Local 731NYC, Excavators, last jobsite being the 145th St. Bridge]. I have also given my complete military stats to cut to the chase and do away with people like you who seek to win a debate by trying to nullifying the person with whom they are supposed to be rationally discussing a pertinent subject.
Why do you rabidly attack people? What enrages you so? Is it the issue
You claim it is about propaganda...yet I wonder, why is it that the blatant propaganda being pushed by the opposite viewpoint does not seem to disturb you in the least? That marks a clear indication that you are not being forthright.
And then you end your post with,"I'm done with you." Typical, so typical. Your loss. For the life of me I have never, ever understood why people would want to surround themselves with people who express the same opinion is beyond me. If that is your ideaof fun, buy a parakeet.
Fez: Are you even aware of why I use quotationa marks with that word? Obviously not. Here, I will help you. Prior to 48, all people born in the Mandate were known to be "Palestinians." Ariel Sharon's birth certificate says he is a "Palestinian." Get the point yet? After Israel offered a new label for Jews living in the Mandate in 47/48, Arabs coopted the term. Ergo, prior to 48 there was no such thing as an Arab known as a "Palestinian." The word still surrounds itself in confusion."
I also use quotations with any other word that has a different possible meanings. For example, "West Bank," does this bother you as well? Only foreigners refer to that land as such. That is why I use quotations there.
Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
Gmarthews posting as Yu Gi Oh and promising to stop forgetting to login properly 
Please Rachamim, are you justifying this killing? You may have great experience of Israel but whether you decide to put Palestinian in quotes or not does not really matter. They were born there and so it is their land too. Thus the one state solution and the need for the Israelis to compromise.
Just stating that the Palestinians need to compromise completely is not doing anyone any good. OK so you feel that the Israelis are totally in the right and you can quote countless books as reference, but other people see the issue differently and you will have to accept that or just run into the extremist camp for cover. If you would just engage with the debate rather than trying to trivialise the above act, or even justify it.
Please try relating to the people involved, the families, the parents, the children. The issues are important of our course, but there is always a point where our common brotherhood of man tells us that something is wrong.
Please Rachamim, are you justifying this killing? You may have great experience of Israel but whether you decide to put Palestinian in quotes or not does not really matter. They were born there and so it is their land too. Thus the one state solution and the need for the Israelis to compromise.
Just stating that the Palestinians need to compromise completely is not doing anyone any good. OK so you feel that the Israelis are totally in the right and you can quote countless books as reference, but other people see the issue differently and you will have to accept that or just run into the extremist camp for cover. If you would just engage with the debate rather than trying to trivialise the above act, or even justify it.
Please try relating to the people involved, the families, the parents, the children. The issues are important of our course, but there is always a point where our common brotherhood of man tells us that something is wrong.
GMarthews: Thank you for the honesty as to the log in. It is to be congratulated as many here like to play games.
If I was born in your living room, is your family's house now my home? Can I put it on the market? Can I cover it in shit?
When the Modern Zionists began to put their vision to work, they recognised that the many Arabs now living on parts of our land were not going to sink into the sand and disappear. That is why, from the first Partition offer in 1919, we have agreed to live a peaceful and safe coexistence with an Arab state to vbe carved from the same land [i.e. British Mandate]. It was the Arabs who have ALWAYS refused this, even when offered everything they claim to want in 1992 [even E. Jerusalem mind you]. They want ALL the land, not to share it. this is reality.
Did you read Ma'ashal's interview in Damascus this week? Even if
HAMAS is somehow drawn to the table, by a Unity Govt., or whatever other method, it will never accept permanant coexistence with us. Any peace would merely be "hudna." Are you familiar with this Arabic word?
I am pressed for time right now but please study this word. It is the same word Arafat used to use in speeches to his constituients when speaking in Arabic in closed door speeches [i.e. no foreign media].
Sadly, I have to explain to you that I am NOT an extremist. I am not a Centrist. I am neither right nor left wing. I support a secure Israel within the Greenline with the exception of the E. Jerusalem consolidation.
I simply feel that all terrorism is wrong and that one can never, under any cicumstances, justify attacking non-combatants on purpose. I , as a resident of the region, am fully aware that there at least 26 groups operation around and AMONG us who seek to do just this. Each one of these groups is not concerned with a fictitious "occupation," they all have the same objective: total destruction of Israel and its people. At best, some Jews [usually described as those living here before 1948] would be allowed to live as Dhimmi [another Arabic qord you should study]. Thanks but no thanks. Beofrethe first Arab entered histroy we already had almost 3,000 years here. Still we are willing to share the land. Then why cant the "Palestinian" take the same road?
As for the apostrophes, I use them because prior to 48 all people in the region were known as "Palestinians." Ariel Sharon was born one. I use the apostrophes to denote the unique and new meaning of the word as it has been coopted by Arabs subsequent to 48.
"Try engaging with people." In my non-wartime service I am stationed near Chechem, which you might know as Nablus. I deal with Arab families on a daily basis and am a native speaker of Arabic which means often times, I am more comfortable among Arabs than among my own kind. Please do not make summary snap judgements.
If I was born in your living room, is your family's house now my home? Can I put it on the market? Can I cover it in shit?
When the Modern Zionists began to put their vision to work, they recognised that the many Arabs now living on parts of our land were not going to sink into the sand and disappear. That is why, from the first Partition offer in 1919, we have agreed to live a peaceful and safe coexistence with an Arab state to vbe carved from the same land [i.e. British Mandate]. It was the Arabs who have ALWAYS refused this, even when offered everything they claim to want in 1992 [even E. Jerusalem mind you]. They want ALL the land, not to share it. this is reality.
Did you read Ma'ashal's interview in Damascus this week? Even if
HAMAS is somehow drawn to the table, by a Unity Govt., or whatever other method, it will never accept permanant coexistence with us. Any peace would merely be "hudna." Are you familiar with this Arabic word?
I am pressed for time right now but please study this word. It is the same word Arafat used to use in speeches to his constituients when speaking in Arabic in closed door speeches [i.e. no foreign media].
Sadly, I have to explain to you that I am NOT an extremist. I am not a Centrist. I am neither right nor left wing. I support a secure Israel within the Greenline with the exception of the E. Jerusalem consolidation.
I simply feel that all terrorism is wrong and that one can never, under any cicumstances, justify attacking non-combatants on purpose. I , as a resident of the region, am fully aware that there at least 26 groups operation around and AMONG us who seek to do just this. Each one of these groups is not concerned with a fictitious "occupation," they all have the same objective: total destruction of Israel and its people. At best, some Jews [usually described as those living here before 1948] would be allowed to live as Dhimmi [another Arabic qord you should study]. Thanks but no thanks. Beofrethe first Arab entered histroy we already had almost 3,000 years here. Still we are willing to share the land. Then why cant the "Palestinian" take the same road?
As for the apostrophes, I use them because prior to 48 all people in the region were known as "Palestinians." Ariel Sharon was born one. I use the apostrophes to denote the unique and new meaning of the word as it has been coopted by Arabs subsequent to 48.
"Try engaging with people." In my non-wartime service I am stationed near Chechem, which you might know as Nablus. I deal with Arab families on a daily basis and am a native speaker of Arabic which means often times, I am more comfortable among Arabs than among my own kind. Please do not make summary snap judgements.
Gmart
Well-Known Member
I appreciate your position and you know that the living room you talk of will always be in a house in a country and that baby thus has the right to freedom there.
I am well aware of 'Hudna' as we have talked about it before. It is one of the major reasons why the 2-state solution could never work and why thus the one-state solution is the inevitable end, though it might take a hundred years for many to appreciate this.
You feel that the Israelis have already created Israel as secular, and has treated the Arabs as equals in that land. However they still seem to feel that the land is being taken away from them, not least by the wall being driven through their lands.
Meanwhile the Israelis seem to be killing children as Mauvais put it so succinctly. You might not believe the stories and seem completely able to dismiss them, but we can't and there are sooo many!!
Please stop using history to try and prove what you believe. By that rationale the Native Americans are justified in armed combat against the current government, according to you at NO time should they accept that time has passed and thus times have changed.
That transcript about the shooting of the girl is something which every human should condemn. I would expect you to point out fairly that in any army there will be some loose cannons who do not do what they should, or something like that, but to try and dismiss it as not even occurring when the story is repeated through many news channels beggers belief.
I am well aware of 'Hudna' as we have talked about it before. It is one of the major reasons why the 2-state solution could never work and why thus the one-state solution is the inevitable end, though it might take a hundred years for many to appreciate this.
You feel that the Israelis have already created Israel as secular, and has treated the Arabs as equals in that land. However they still seem to feel that the land is being taken away from them, not least by the wall being driven through their lands.
Meanwhile the Israelis seem to be killing children as Mauvais put it so succinctly. You might not believe the stories and seem completely able to dismiss them, but we can't and there are sooo many!!
Please stop using history to try and prove what you believe. By that rationale the Native Americans are justified in armed combat against the current government, according to you at NO time should they accept that time has passed and thus times have changed.
That transcript about the shooting of the girl is something which every human should condemn. I would expect you to point out fairly that in any army there will be some loose cannons who do not do what they should, or something like that, but to try and dismiss it as not even occurring when the story is repeated through many news channels beggers belief.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
Yep.....a lot of talk....but still no proof of the claim. Tedious to say the least.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
What evidence I have found is the actual timeline of the photos used. There appears to be the suggestion that one of the photos wasnt actually taken before she was murdered but infact several hours before. Several sites I have trawled through indeed confirm this.
What I havent found is any clear evidence that the ISM actually doctored the photos and admitted to actually doing so-which is what your original claim was. Im not interested in shoddily put together web sites by right wing zionists-I'm only interested in verifiable news sources that confirms your statement.
Until then I'd appreciate you stop beating about the bush.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
moono said:rachamim;
Oh my Gahd ! I've been burgled by Martians and the papers are gone !
I'd suggest that on this we dont hold our breath-asphyxiation is a dreaful way to die.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Interesting...Ive just recieved an e mail from the correspondant Amos Harel. Ive asked him about if the ISM leadership have ever admitted to doctoring photos of rachel corrie and he has informed me that no such confession from the ISM leadership exists.
GMarthews: Ahhhh, I now see why you are so enamored with the "One State Solution." However, it is also consigned to failure because both sides do not want it. You will , apparently, have to come up with another option. Me, "2 State" all the way . A strong military with a proactive stance ensures our states's survival. I might add that moast proposals for a "Palestine" include a demilitarised state along the lines of post WWII Japan. Their rights would be ensured by UN Peacekeepers, etc so that any imagined abuses by a militarised Israel would never to come to fruition.
You are a bit confused. The Arabs that are peeved with the "Barrier" are not Israeli Arabs, they are "Palestinians." Thy are not Israeli citizens.
"Israelis seem to be killing children." Look, "Palestinians" alos kill Isaeli kids. The numbers are skewed due to the Israeli's better training and equipemnt. The major difference though is ideology. Only one side AIMS for children and that is the "Palestinians." Israelis do kill children but because of collateraldamage. In Close Quarter Urban Combat, [which you should study if you really want to learn about the issue more completly], troops are faced with civilian shields, plainclothed opponents who use civlian crowdcover, etc. Of course Arab children will be inadvertantly killed.
"Native Americans are justified, by Rachamim's rationale, to engage in armed combat with the US." certainly! What I find fair though after half a millenia though is a fair sharing of the land and resurces, as in a 2 State Solution.
"Loose cannons in every army." No disrespect but you have not been here very long. Had you been, you would have seen me call for the blood of NCO Taysir who murdered Tom Hundall and now sits in an Israeli prison.
True as that is, it does not make the case of the 13 year old girl a crime. Hrer death, however unfortunate, was not the fault of the IDF, bit of her poor choices as callous as it sounds.
You are a bit confused. The Arabs that are peeved with the "Barrier" are not Israeli Arabs, they are "Palestinians." Thy are not Israeli citizens.
"Israelis seem to be killing children." Look, "Palestinians" alos kill Isaeli kids. The numbers are skewed due to the Israeli's better training and equipemnt. The major difference though is ideology. Only one side AIMS for children and that is the "Palestinians." Israelis do kill children but because of collateraldamage. In Close Quarter Urban Combat, [which you should study if you really want to learn about the issue more completly], troops are faced with civilian shields, plainclothed opponents who use civlian crowdcover, etc. Of course Arab children will be inadvertantly killed.
"Native Americans are justified, by Rachamim's rationale, to engage in armed combat with the US." certainly! What I find fair though after half a millenia though is a fair sharing of the land and resurces, as in a 2 State Solution.
"Loose cannons in every army." No disrespect but you have not been here very long. Had you been, you would have seen me call for the blood of NCO Taysir who murdered Tom Hundall and now sits in an Israeli prison.
True as that is, it does not make the case of the 13 year old girl a crime. Hrer death, however unfortunate, was not the fault of the IDF, bit of her poor choices as callous as it sounds.
GrandmaDeath: "I am not interested in shoddily put together Zionist websites..." No only those that represent your skewwed viewpoint which has had to already hace an unpleqasant fact all on its own...mainly that ISM was dishonest in its presentation of the photos of Ms. Corrie.
Actually, ISM maintained that Ms. Corrie died while on her knees pleading for her life, then changed tact and said she was atop the mound squarely facing the driver. Hmmmm.... then thee is the issue of the disappearing treeline which is not a problem with the timeoline, since she was wearing different CLOTHES! Sigh, you make this so simple.
If I was you I would not get so excited over what I have promised to provide because in due time you will be faced with it.
Esxcue me if I dounbt you even received an email from Harel, but even if you had he is a leftist supporter of the group so why in the hell would I even consider his word on it? You complain about rightwing Zionist sites and then toss a flaming leftist into the mix....what is the word? Hypocrisy?
Actually, ISM maintained that Ms. Corrie died while on her knees pleading for her life, then changed tact and said she was atop the mound squarely facing the driver. Hmmmm.... then thee is the issue of the disappearing treeline which is not a problem with the timeoline, since she was wearing different CLOTHES! Sigh, you make this so simple.
If I was you I would not get so excited over what I have promised to provide because in due time you will be faced with it.
Esxcue me if I dounbt you even received an email from Harel, but even if you had he is a leftist supporter of the group so why in the hell would I even consider his word on it? You complain about rightwing Zionist sites and then toss a flaming leftist into the mix....what is the word? Hypocrisy?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
rachamim18 said:
There is only one slight difference between a right wing zionist site and Harel. Harel is claiming no such confesssion exists-the right wing zionist site you linked to doesnt even make the claim that the ISM admitted doctoring the photos.
So here we all are again. You're out in the cold still unable to back up your claim.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rachamim18 said:
Not "perfectly". You really should try to get over your addiction to hyperbole, people might think you are a propagandist otherwise.
Anyway, to the "perfect" M.O.
Since when have female suicide bombers been the norm, that there would be an established history of suicide bombings by females that would allow you to establish such a modus operandi?
I ask because contemporary history tells us that suicide bombings by females in Palestine are a vanishingly rare phenomenon.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rachamim18 said:
It's over half a full magazine, so "stream" is appropriate.
After all, "burst" is generally nowadays identified as a three round cluster (thanks to Colt for their ammo-saving device), and 17 rounds make almost 6 "bursts", don't they?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
rachamim18 said:
'Impeccable'? Since when is killing kids impeccable?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
DrRingDing said:
He's not claiming it is, mate. He's claiming that the soldiers in question followed their "Rules of Engagement" by the book and by the numbers.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
ViolentPanda said:
We know there are no rules. They kill in a frivolous manner.
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