Hating the police

[xes]

"we should be so grateful for the freedoms we have that we should never actually act on them"???

you almost didn't sound like a copper then

 

[Jon-of-arc]

But they are scum. they stand against the people they are supposed to protect, because they've been told to. they are braind dead morons who only follow orders. not human beings who have critical thinking abilities.

My experience is that police arent stupid. Unthinking, yes, but not idiots usually.

 

[xes]

My experience is that police arent stupid. Unthinking, yes, but not idiots usually.

surely unthinking and idiocy are very simular?

 

[Jon-of-arc]

surely unthinking and idiocy are very simular?

Intelligence can be applied to uphold the status quo, or to challemge it. Cops are obviously upholding it - not questioning the rights and wrongs of the world, seeing things in a black and white worldview. But then they sometimes thwart criminal gangs, and that requires some brains.

 

[coley]

Oh dear, you're not borrowing lines from Dwyer already are you, coley?

No, it just tickled my fancy,

But they are scum. they stand against the people they are supposed to protect, because they've been told to. they are braind dead morons who only follow orders. not human beings who have critical thinking abilities.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

 

[Blagsta]

Numerous, one that springs to mind was the bloke who along with his wife and another woman was attacked in his own kitchen by a stanger high on drugs, in the ensuing sruggle the atttacker was stabbed to death, the homeowner was jailed for manslaughter but there are many other cases.

Can you provide some actual details, like a news report or details of court case? Ta.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Derail - has no-one posted this yet here?:

 

[coley]

What country is "this country"?

I'm talking about community self protection in areas where there are no police, not self-defense.

but not the UK?

 

[xes]

Intelligence can be applied to uphold the status quo, or to challemge it. Cops are obviously upholding it - not questioning the rights and wrongs of the world, seeing things in a black and white worldview. But then they sometimes thwart criminal gangs, and that requires some brains.

Just like Yoss said on the first page, Harrold Shipman also saved a few peoples lives, andthat also took some sort of intenligence. he was still a murderous cunt.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

My experience is that police arent stupid. Unthinking, yes, but not idiots usually.

Last year during a Ukuncut demo, a copper said to me, "Why don't you all go live in Russia if you hate capitalism so much?" Stupid & an unthinking thickie

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Last year during a Ukuncut demo, a copper said to me, "Why don't you all go live in Russia if you hate capitalism so much?" Stupid & an unthinking thickie

I wonder if Russian policemen say to their own anti-capitalist etc protestors "If you like the protesting and being horrible to our Dear Leader Vlad the Putin so much, why don't you all go and live in the UK?"

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I'd like to think that they do!

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Last year during a Ukuncut demo, a copper said to me, "Why don't you all go live in Russia if you hate capitalism so much?" Stupid & an unthinking thickie

Im sure there are a few simpletons, especially amongst old skool cops.

But competition to get into the police force these days is so high that most cops will be graduates, and they'll be the best of many thousands who also applied but didnt get in. good money, career options, a more interesting job than most - cop recruitment these days is a buyers market.

 

[xes]

competition is so high to get into the police force? Can you back that up? The version I heard, at least from the states, and that is if the IQ score is too high, they don't get in. Only those with a low IQ get into the police in America. Because they don't want officers who know how to think. I wonder if it's the same in this coutnry (which is why i've asked you to back up what you've said, not for some point scoring thing) 1 small exapmly of my point... http://www.thisistrue.com/to_protect_and_serve_6657.html

 

[Jon-of-arc]

competition is so high to get into the police force? Can you back that up?

Ill have a look when im not posting from my phone, but annecdotally I have heard this.

 

[xes]

fair enough (and whilst you [postedthat, I've edited my post for a quick linky, as I'm also on my way out)

 

[coley]

competition is so high to get into the police force? Can you back that up? The version I heard, at least from the states, and that is if the IQ score is too high, they don't get in. Only those with a low IQ get into the police in America. Because they don't want officers who know how to think. I wonder if it's the same in this coutnry (which is why i've asked you to back up what you've said, not for some point scoring thing) 1 small exapmly of my point... http://www.thisistrue.com/to_protect_and_serve_6657.html

Why bring the US into a disscusion on british Police? making international comparisons was rejected by some on here earlier

 

[xes]

pigs are pigs are pigs. i wondered if the US policy for hiring scum was simular to the UK policy.

incidentally, not one of you cop lovers has been able to address any points in my first post on page 1 of this thread.

 

[coley]

pigs are pigs are pigs. i wondered if the US policy for hiring scum was simular to the UK policy.

incidentally, not one of you cop lovers has been able to address any points in my first post on page 1 of this thread.

Having a balanced view of the police is not being a 'cop lover' whatever their faults I, and I suspect you also, wouldnt like to be without them.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

competition is so high to get into the police force? Can you back that up? The version I heard, at least from the states, and that is if the IQ score is too high, they don't get in. Only those with a low IQ get into the police in America. Because they don't want officers who know how to think. I wonder if it's the same in this coutnry (which is why i've asked you to back up what you've said, not for some point scoring thing) 1 small exapmly of my point... http://www.thisistrue.com/to_protect_and_serve_6657.html

Every year, about 60,000 - 65,000 people apply to be police officers but less than 7000 are actually successful and go on to achieve their dream job.

from here http://www.police-recruitment.co.uk/become_a_police_officer.html

Basically, a lot of young graduates see the nice starting salary as a good wage for a graduate, they see the training, the opportunities for progression, the varied paths you could follow (CID, Firearms, undercover, dog handling, financial crime, the list no dount goes on...) as a pretty good area to get into. Not to mention retiring after 20 years and setting up some shady "consultation firm" for the private sector, charging big wedge for the benefits of their experience.

 

[mentalchik]

becasue it's never going to happen, becasue of the type of person the police force attracts. The type of people who like to terrorise others, sadists who couldn't care less about you or anyone else.

only speaking from personal experience (being married to my ex (A COPPER) for nearly 16 years) this is a mighty big assumption

 

[rover07]

I fucking hate those sirens.

WTF is that about, why so ear-splittingly loud? I felt like lobbing something at one of the fuckers today.

 

[CyberRose]

from here http://www.police-recruitment.co.uk/become_a_police_officer.html

Basically, a lot of young graduates see the nice starting salary as a good wage for a graduate, they see the training, the opportunities for progression, the varied paths you could follow (CID, Firearms, undercover, dog handling, financial crime, the list no dount goes on...) as a pretty good area to get into. Not to mention retiring after 20 years and setting up some shady "consultation firm" for the private sector, charging big wedge for the benefits of their experience.

That link doesn't say anything about graduates tho, just people in general...

 

[Pickman's model]

from here http://www.police-recruitment.co.uk/become_a_police_officer.html

Basically, a lot of young graduates see the nice starting salary as a good wage for a graduate, they see the training, the opportunities for progression, the varied paths you could follow (CID, Firearms, undercover, dog handling, financial crime, the list no dount goes on...) as a pretty good area to get into. Not to mention retiring after 20 years and setting up some shady "consultation firm" for the private sector, charging big wedge for the benefits of their experience.

yes it is no longer all that easy to join the police. i think the met are thinking about, or only recruiting from, members of the special constabulary. but anyone whose been following the trade press will know that all is not rosy among the rank and file, who are none too chuffed about having their wages cut just like people working elsewhere in the public sector. the sort of young graduate who'd join the police for the reasons you outline is probably the same sort of person who'd have joined the sa or ss in the 30s. it's interesting that you don't suggest one of the reasons for joining the police for these graduates is to do something positive for the community.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

yes it is no longer all that easy to join the police. i think the met are thinking about, or only recruiting from, members of the special constabulary. but anyone whose been following the trade press will know that all is not rosy among the rank and file, who are none too chuffed about having their wages cut just like people working elsewhere in the public sector. the sort of young graduate who'd join the police for the reasons you outline is probably the same sort of person who'd have joined the sa or ss in the 30s. it's interesting that you don't suggest one of the reasons for joining the police for these graduates is to do something positive for the community.

Im sure they all say that in their interview, but I suspect "making a good impact on the world" is a genuine reason for some, and an afterthought for others...

But yes, graduates just see it as an attractive career choice.

 

[coley]

yes it is no longer all that easy to join the police. i think the met are thinking about, or only recruiting from, members of the special constabulary. but anyone whose been following the trade press will know that all is not rosy among the rank and file, who are none too chuffed about having their wages cut just like people working elsewhere in the public sector. the sort of young graduate who'd join the police for the reasons you outline is probably the same sort of person who'd have joined the sa or ss in the 30s. it's interesting that you don't suggest one of the reasons for joining the police for these graduates is to do something positive for the community.

Are yousuggesting our universitys are churning out large numbers of wannabe nazis?

 

[Pickman's model]

Are yousuggesting our universitys are churning out large numbers of wannabe nazis?

no, i'm suggesting the same sort of person who was attracted by the nsdap would be attracted by the police. this isn't to say that there aren't other people who are attracted by the police for what people here would consider the right reasons, i'm sure there are. but people who enter the police because they see it as a smart career move and a decent starting salary are going to be the sort of people who seek power, and anyone who seeks power is unlikely to exercise it well. there are a number of fascists at british universities, but i wouldn't say a large number. and going to university is imo not going to turn someone into a fascist (or a socialist, for that matter) who wasn't that way inclined previously.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Im sure there are a few simpletons, especially amongst old skool cops.

I actually had to ask whether his mam knew he was dressing as a copper.

 

[coley]

no, i'm suggesting the same sort of person who was attracted by the nsdap would be attracted by the police. this isn't to say that there aren't other people who are attracted by the police for what people here would consider the right reasons, i'm sure there are. but people who enter the police because they see it as a smart career move and a decent starting salary are going to be the sort of people who seek power, and anyone who seeks power is unlikely to exercise it well. there are a number of fascists at british universities, but i wouldn't say a large number. and going to university is imo not going to turn someone into a fascist (or a socialist, for that matter) who wasn't that way inclined previously.

How does seeking a decent salary and a solid (or smart) career equate with being a power seeking wannabe nazi?

 

[Pickman's model]

How does seeking a decent salary and a solid (or smart) career equate with being a power seeking wannabe nazi?

a lot of people who joined the nsdap did it for just those reasons. many people who join the police, and - i suggest - especially those who join for a good starting salary / smart career move are also going to have a number of preconceptions about the police and society which will lead them to readily embrace what's been described as 'canteen culture' (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/canteen-culture). i'm not suggesting that these people are out and out fascists, but they are the sort of people who make fascism or the strong state work, in the same way that the large numbers of highly educated germans who joined the nsdap and / or one or more of its formations allowed hitler to get as far as he did. they're going to be people who would have no qualms about another battle of the bean field, another oxford circus (mayday 2001), another orgreave.