ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What, like enjoying the bumfinger?
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What, like enjoying the bumfinger?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
It's amazing the amount of people who want to say 'i am a socialist' but then deny the core point of socialism as an irrelevance for chippy sorts from the 1970s. At best, liberals. Thinking they are socialist because they are a shade left of the tory party. Join Nulab ffs
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
don't mock it till you have picked your nose with it
coley
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No, i didnt say that at all, what i said was;
Class? I dont know why people get so bothered by it, every society has its 'class system' communist, capitalism, ones as bad as the other,
stethoscope
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So working class people seeing themselves getting fucked over by upper class people shouldn't be bothered about class?
We're all in this together.
We're all in this together.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I reckon any people getting fucked over by any other people warrants concern
Proper Tidy
Arsed
You said 'the class struggle' was irrelevant, which must mean class is irrelevant. Otherwise people will always be struggling against it's limits.
stethoscope
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And how does that usually manifest?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Concern or getting fucked over?
stethoscope
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Well, getting fucked over requires that somebody has privilege over another. It's still all based in capitalism and class.
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Arsed
How many people do you employ anyway coley?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
so because stalinist states had a class system as well, it's ok then
coley
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No, I said its irrelevant, poverty, people being exploited etc has gone on from time immemorial and its usually the strongest, cleverest or the most ruthless who are responsible for the 'grinding down; irrespective of any imagined 'class'
look at todays 'aristocracy' union leaders, CEOs of councils and others all earning more than the PM, all in some way exploiting the 'working classes' as does anyone belonging to a pension fund
coley
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35, most on full time, for the present.
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Arsed
Oh, so you are a Tory
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Arsed
Have you recognised a union? You pay minimum wage? Proper contracts or casual?
Have you joined your local bosses union yet?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
'aristocracy union leaders' lol.
That would be democratically elected union leaders on behalf of those workers in those unions, whilst the undemocratically elected coalition fucks over workers.
That would be democratically elected union leaders on behalf of those workers in those unions, whilst the undemocratically elected coalition fucks over workers.
coley
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The working class can kiss me arse i've got the foremans job at last, still very true today.
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Arsed
Why do people say 'so and so earns more than the PM?
Just say 'so and so earns too much'. The PM doesn't have some inalienable right to earn more than everybody else on principle.
Just say 'so and so earns too much'. The PM doesn't have some inalienable right to earn more than everybody else on principle.
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Arsed
Says the miner turned local businessman and politician.
coley
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Yes, though only two have bothered to join, we pay above minimum though with having no fee rises in two years I dont know how much longer we will be able to maintain the differential no casual full contracts after 28 weeks probation.
No, nor the masons
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
You said you employed people. A foreman is in charge of people but doesn't employ them.
But still, it shows your true colours.
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Arsed
Any jobs going?
coley
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j
Just pointing out reality, ever see the house uncle arthur built himself during the miners strike?
coley
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No, but it seems a bit strange that we have a situation where unelected council officers can pay themselves such salaries
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Makes me laugh when people slag of union leaders in this manner (Crow being the usual favourite). I'd say he's very effective for what he is paid and elected to do - which after all is to push for working and salary interests for his members.
coley
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Just pointing out that most will trample others in the rush up the greasy pole
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I don't think union leaders should be paid large salaries. I think their salaries should place them in the same position economically as their members.
But I don't think this renders trade unionism redundant or corrupt. When union members strike, they do so to defend their own jobs, having had the democratic opportunity to so. The union leader has nothing to do with it.
I never saw Scargills gaff on Through The Keyhole. I'm imagining North Korean chic with a shade of Caesescu.
But I don't think this renders trade unionism redundant or corrupt. When union members strike, they do so to defend their own jobs, having had the democratic opportunity to so. The union leader has nothing to do with it.
I never saw Scargills gaff on Through The Keyhole. I'm imagining North Korean chic with a shade of Caesescu.
coley
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And if crow paid himself say 50% more than his average member than i would consider that more than fair
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