Hating the police

[Proper Tidy]

Because i wouldnt want to be considered anything I am not.

But class doesn't matter so why do you care?

And you really aren't working class. You're an employer. It's mutually exclusive. I can understand why you still want to self-identify as working class though. To be born working class is to win the lottery of life.

 

[coley]

More honest in that he'd like to see the whole NHS dismantled based on only his own experiences.

No, I would like an NHS that works, how its done is immaterial, as long as care and treatment at the point of delivery remains free and thats more important than some imagined 'class struggle'

 

[stethoscope]

No, I would like an NHS that works, how its done is immaterial, as long as care and treatment at the point of delivery remains free and thats more important than some imagined 'class struggle'

Well I guess the class struggle is imagined now your petit bourgeois. Health provision is very much about class btw.

 

[coley]

But class doesn't matter so why do you care?

And you really aren't working class. You're an employer. It's mutually exclusive. I can understand why you still want to self-identify as working class though. To be born working class is to win the lottery of life.

Twenty years at the coal face gives me the right to choose, unlike some 'professional' working class types.

 

[stethoscope]

Lol at 'right to choose'

 

[Proper Tidy]

No, I would like an NHS that works, how its done is immaterial, as long as care and treatment at the point of delivery remains free and thats more important than some imagined 'class struggle'

Ensuring the NHS works, and that the same care and treatment is available to all, is about class though, isn't it? Because it is endeavouring to ensure a universal service remains rather than a tiered system based on... class.

Did you stand for a party the time you got elected?

 

[discokermit]

Twenty years at the coal face gives me the right to choose,

and you did. you chose to be petite bourgeois.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Twenty years at the coal face gives me the right to choose, unlike some 'professional' working class types.

Why are you so obsessed with proving your working class credentials whilst stating class is 'imaginary'? I don't reckon anybody cares and it is very inconsistent.

I've already made clear I'm not arsed about class on an individual level. It doesn't matter. What matters are jobs, wages, wealth inequality, universal health care, public transport, dog shit, footpaths, street lights. This is called 'class'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

and I can consider myself a six foot four buffed up archetype for masculinity but we both know it isn't true.

What makes you say that, Gimli?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Twenty years at the coal face gives me the right to choose, unlike some 'professional' working class types.

Strange how every former miner I've ever met worked at the coal face. None of them worked anywhere else.

Oh, and nowt gives you the right to choose. You are what you are, regardless of how you label yourself or others label you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why are you so obsessed with proving your working class credentials whilst stating class is 'imaginary'? I don't reckon anybody cares and it is very inconsistent.

Oh, I care, insofar as he says he earned his credentials at the coal face.
Amazing that none of these chaps worked at the pithead, isn't it?

I've already made clear I'm not arsed about class on an individual level. It doesn't matter. What matters are jobs, wages, wealth inequality, universal health care, public transport, dog shit, footpaths, street lights. This is called 'class'.

Yep, all of them are related to class.

 

[coley]

Well I guess the class struggle is imagined now your petit bourgeois. Health provision is very much about class btw.

Petit bourgeois? sorry pet, us working class types dont do french.

 

[stethoscope]

Petit bourgeois? sorry pet, us working class types dont do french.

Not even when you go on your nice Bordeaux holidays each year at the expense of your workers?

 

[coley]

Oh, I care, insofar as he says he earned his credentials at the coal face.
Amazing that none of these chaps worked at the pithead, isn't it?

Yep, all of them are related to class.

Like all miners I started 'on bank' (the pithead) gradually working towards becoming a face worker and i had nearly twenty years of that, ten of them as mines rescue brigadesman, before that I had six years in the infantry,

 

[stethoscope]

Still, it must be nice to have the privilege to choose to call yourself working class still. Just like one of the lads

 

[DotCommunist]

he's jon bird

 

[Corax]

Whilst distrustful of the authority they'd been delegated, I was always reasonably 'respectful' of the police. Until I had direct experience of them, and their unjust attempts to pin drug and assault charges on me. They had no interest in what had actually happened, only in getting me to confess to stuff they could tick off on their targets list. Seeing as the drugs weren't mine and it was me that had been assaulted, I now work on the presumption that they're cunts until proven otherwise.

 

[coley]

Not even when you go on your nice Bordeaux holidays each year at the expense of your workers?

Tried Euro disney once didnt care for it. NZ? now thats a different story.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Like all miners I started 'on bank' (the pithead) gradually working towards becoming a face worker and i had nearly twenty years of that, ten of them as mines rescue brigadesman, before that I had six years in the infantry,

The only real infantry are light infantry.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Oh, I care, insofar as he says he earned his credentials at the coal face.
Amazing that none of these chaps worked at the pithead, isn't it?



Yep, all of them are related to class.

I had a barney with a local Tory councillor a while back. He got a bit hysterical. I asked him if he felt he could genuinely represent the overwhelmingly working class residents of his ward as a member of a party which was so virulently anti-working class in ideology and action. He started screaming 'my grandad was a miner'. All their granddads or dads seem to have been miners. It's a former pit town but there was a massive steelworks too, loads of factories. But the granddads are always miners. They have cache. Impeccable credentials.

He also said class was irrelevant whilst seeking to assert his working class identity. I can't quite work that out.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Petit bourgeois? sorry pet, us working class types dont do french.

It's been in the Oxford English Dictionary for over 100 years. It's not really French, it's international.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Petit bourgeois? sorry pet, us working class types dont do french.

It means you're half and half. Foot in both camps. Not to be trusted.

 

[DotCommunist]

Owns his own tools !?

 

[Red Storm]

Is Coley a councillor? If you employ people your interests are different to your employees.

Though that is not to say that being petite bourgeois means you can not be for the working class.

Shame this thread has diverted away from the police.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I had a barney with a local Tory councillor a while back. He got a bit hysterical. I asked him if he felt he could genuinely represent the overwhelmingly working class residents of his ward as a member of a party which was so virulently anti-working class in ideology and action. He started screaming 'my grandad was a miner'. All their granddads or dads seem to have been miners. It's a former pit town but there was a massive steelworks too, loads of factories. But the granddads are always miners. They have cache. Impeccable credentials.

He also said class was irrelevant whilst seeking to assert his working class identity. I can't quite work that out.

My paternal great-grandfather, three of his brothers and his father were all miners (my great-great-grandfather having originally been a clay-miner in Devon and then a collier in S. Yorks. Unlike many people who claim this though, I can actually prove it, as I have the relevant census records, as well as assorted stuff from the actual mines they worked, copies of tallly books etc.

TBF though, I don't have to reference my forebears too often in support of my working class credentials, because it's pretty much inescapable from my environment, my politics, my accent etc.

 

[coley]

It's been in the Oxford English Dictionary for over 100 years. It's not really French, it's international.

Not really french? then just what language is it? status quo is there as well but nobody disputes thats latin, as for my mining credentials i have been at both ends of the spectrum, hand filling at Whittle and Joy Mk 12 Continous miners at Ellington

 

[coley]

I had a barney with a local Tory councillor a while back. He got a bit hysterical. I asked him if he felt he could genuinely represent the overwhelmingly working class residents of his ward as a member of a party which was so virulently anti-working class in ideology and action. He started screaming 'my grandad was a miner'. All their granddads or dads seem to have been miners. It's a former pit town but there was a massive steelworks too, loads of factories. But the granddads are always miners. They have cache. Impeccable credentials.

He also said class was irrelevant whilst seeking to assert his working class identity. I can't quite work that out.

Whats the problem? I happen to be quite proud of my 'class' without any pretense to it being important or relevant

 

[DotCommunist]

a personal fetish then

 

[Proper Tidy]

Whats the problem? I happen to be quite proud of my 'class' without any pretense to it being important or relevant

It doesn't make any sense. You are proud of something you deny exists.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not really french? then just what language is it? status quo is there as well but nobody disputes thats latin, as for my mining credentials i have been at both ends of the spectrum, hand filling at Whittle and Joy Mk 12 Continous miners at Ellington

It's from French, but it's used everywhere. Not French language but part of a lingua franca (see what I did there? ) that includes Latin, French, German and other source-words from G-d knows where.