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A socialist or fellow traveller
Hating the police
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A socialist or fellow traveller
Well...speaking from a position of someone that actually DOES the job of Police Officer I think you all need to grow up about...10-years or so.
As Kant once remarked, ''nothing straight can ever be made from the crooked timber of humanity'' (in other words, there are no perfect human beings...).
The Police we have here in this country do a job most of you would run away from...
They do it for reasons you cannot possibly understand (based on the above anyway...).
They will also risk their lives for you.
But you carry on playing Trotsky...
See you in 10-years or so...
As Kant once remarked, ''nothing straight can ever be made from the crooked timber of humanity'' (in other words, there are no perfect human beings...).
The Police we have here in this country do a job most of you would run away from...
They do it for reasons you cannot possibly understand (based on the above anyway...).
They will also risk their lives for you.
But you carry on playing Trotsky...
See you in 10-years or so...
Proper Tidy
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You're a Kant
coley
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Socialism is not necessarily 'red'
Proper Tidy
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What sort of copper are you anyway?
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Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Agreed; I had no problems at all with the policewoman who took a statement from me on Monday. She was really nice, and probably more liberal than I am.
coley
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No, most wouldnt run away, lets not 'egg the pudding' re; dangerous jobs, most coppers do it because its a realitively well paid and secure job, and most wouldnt 'risk their lives' as most risk is assessed out of the equation when possible
coley
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The mcCalmans and Eric Bogle?
Proper Tidy
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None of that scotch nonsense.
So is your interpretation of socialism one that takes much account of class or do you consider other factors more pertinent?
coley
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No, socialism is about values, you can be committed to the welfare of the vunerable yet still get into a classic 'daily mail' when you see the system abused. Eric bogle transcends his roots.
Bernie Gunther
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As I recall there was even a term for those who joined the party after the Enabling Act was passed, specifically with the idea of gaining advancement ... "March Violets"
Proper Tidy
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That didn't really answer my question.
What role does class play in your worldview?
Which group(s) do you get angry about for abusing the system?
coley
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Class? I dont know why people get so bothered by it, every society has its 'class system' communist, capitalism, ones as bad as the other, as for your other question? people parking illegally in disabled bays gets right up me nose.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ah, the title of a book with one of my favourite fictional detectives in it!
Proper Tidy
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So why do you call yourself a socialist? If you're not arsed about class. It's a bit like being a feminist who isn't arsed about women's rights and all that.
Are you a proper councillor or is it all streetlights and dog shit on footpaths?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So, a parking attendant, then.
So the police always tell us. I had a few mates from the army who became coppers. None of them encountered much that most people would run away from, in fact one left the old bill (South Wales) and went back into the army because in his opinion "coppers: Slack lazy moaning bastards".
And paramedics and the fire service, and the military don't?
You're away with the fairies if you think you're unique in the sacrificial stakes. Take a look at your own rate for deaths on the job compared to firefighters or the military, you mongrel.
Typical political ignoramus. Trotskyism is a minority pursuit followed by about 25,000 people in the UK, of whom about half a dozen post on this board. I know Trotsky sounds terribly exotic and revolutionary, but it isn't.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He's not that bright. He thinks we're Trots.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
National Socialism certainly wasn't past around 1920.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Thing is, you (and I) are talking about reality, whereas what shijuro is saying is a representation, a narrative that police perpetuate between themselves and their political masters and attempt to foist onto an increasingly disbelieving and well-informed public.
And of course, if you criticise this idealised representation of the nobility of policing and policers, you're a Trot.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So what you're talking about is a socialism, or a take on socialism, rather than "socialism" as a field of political endeavour. That being the case, you seem more Denis Healy than Tony Benn.
Red Storm
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LOL
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's your error. While class may exist in all modern politics and all modern societies, they're not each as bad as the other. Many political ideologies have tried to render the cleavages between classes as non-corrosive as possible. That was what fed into the post-war social-democratic phase of governance: A mixed economy, various social legislation aimed at giving the least well-off some security, and controls on the markets. Late-modern capitalism, in particular the form of neo-liberalism that plagues this nation-state, has opened up those cleavages into chasms, putting us in a situation akin to the Victorian era. Some people are better-off, but they're mostly the ones who were already well-off.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I suppose when people see the police protecting brand sellers and banking institutions during disturbances... when they see working class people getting nicked... when they see the elite getting away with financial crimes that affect all of us... I can see why some may despise the police & feel they have their priorities wrong.
Proper Tidy
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They are what they are. We will probably all need the police at some point in our lives.
Nobody fools themselves into thinking shop security serves anybody but the shop.
Nobody fools themselves into thinking shop security serves anybody but the shop.
Red Storm
M14
I sometimes wonder if individual policemen and women truly believe that their job is 100% righteous, whether they have to lie to themselves about the real purpose of their job, to protect the ruling class; or whether they're too stupid or too blind to realise that protecting the ruling class is their real job. I'm sure the top chiefs of police know the real purpose of the institution of the police but I think they believe in protecting the ruling class.
Individual police seem to be terrifyingly easily manipulated to do any task they're required to do. Whether looking at British history such as police using violence to prevent women from gaining the right to vote or trade unionists from striking. Or looking at international history such as French police rounding up Jews or American police murdering civil rights activists in the southern states. Are the police just robotic? Do they individually believe in preventing women's, gay or ethnic minority rights?
It's not like these examples are only in the past or isolated to one region or country. Every period of time, in every country, police are the tools of who ever rules that chunk of dirt to prevent change.
I don't dislike individual police for being police, thought I might dislike one for being a wanker. I hate the institution of the police.
I 'run away' from the job of being a police because I do not want to be used as a tool of oppression. But do individual police too stupid or blind to realise that they are a tool of oppression, do the know it but lie to themselves, or do they agree with the oppression?
Police are a strange breed.
discokermit
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you're lazy, thick nobends.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
There's been times when I've needed them & times when I most certainly didn't.
Red Storm
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I like that.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
i had a friend, she was lovely. never had a bad word to say about anyone.
then she became a pcso. she was still pretty lovely, although her stories of bollocking eight year olds seemed a bit out of character.
then she started going out with a proper copper. now everybody is a smackhead, scumbag or "subhuman".
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