Hartlepool by-election

[ska invita]

Is that unexpected as in "complete bollocks I've just made up"?

Although ad someone mentioned the other, it's getting increasingly difficult to distinguish reality from attempts to satirise it, so maybe it's 100% true.

its satire, i just made it, though im not trying to be funny, its depressing

 

[splonkydoo]

Yep; doorstep telling LP they're fucked...

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Worst GE election performance since 1935? Really?

 

[William of Walworth]

I hate seeing polls like this
Just caught up with these latest ones.

I know we have to confront the realities, but people who actively prefer the Tories, particularly in the North but anywhere really, are just cunts in my book

And giving Johnson favourable ratings? WTF??

(And yes, I do also agree with everyone talking about the reasons why Starmer isn't fucking helping either. It's more that I just hate the Tories in general and Johnson in particular )

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[DownwardDog]

I hate seeing polls like this
Just caught up with these latest ones.

I know we have to confront the realities, but people who actively prefer the Tories, particulalry in the North but anywhere really, are just cunts in my book

And giving Johnson favourable ratings? WTF??

(And yes, I do also agree with everyone talking about the reasons why Starmer isn't fucking helping either. It's more that I just hate the Tories in general and Johnson in particular )

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There a A LOT of local factors in play here. The local Labour Party organisation and Labour run council has been a corrupt shambles for decades but reached its nadir in the SCABs era.

 

[William of Walworth]

There a A LOT of local factors in play here. The local Labour Party organisation and Labour run council has been a corrupt shambles for decades but reached its nadir in the SCABs era.

I can believe that very well -- I'm obviously not familiar with local conditions there

But however dreadful Labour may be up there, that's no excuse for giving Johnson, or the Tories, favourable ratings

(I did say mine was a gut-reaction post anyway!)

 

[Knotted]

Worst GE election performance since 1935? Really?

In terms of seats won. In terms of share of vote it's the worst election performance since 2015 which was substantially worse and the 2010 result was even worse than that.

That's not to say that the 2019 result was good or even acceptable. It's just that Labour have been absolutely stuffed for more than a decade now and with UKIP/Brexit Party out of the picture it's clearly visible.

 

[Smangus]

Hartlepool will kick Labours arse , no doubt. It might be the wake up call it needs or that might disappear in a load of platitudes about vaccine bounces.

 

[steeplejack]

Corbyn to blame according to twitter

 

[Beermoth]

Any other parachuted-in Labour candidate would be 20 points ahead...

 

[hitmouse]

Hartlepool will kick Labours arse , no doubt. It might be the wake up call it needs or that might disappear in a load of platitudes about vaccine bounces.

I'm sure lessons will be learned...

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm sure lessons will be learned...

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[Pickman's model]

Any other parachuted-in Labour candidate would be 20 points ahead...

this one would be doing better if he'd been flung out of a plane without a working parachute

 

[tommers]

The wriggling has started already. Gonna be fucking hilarious to watch them all adjusting their worldview to make sense of any other leader not being 20 pts ahead.

 

[Pickman's model]

Corbyn to blame according to twitter
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when starmer is no more than the dwindling sound of a flush, when there have been three subsequent leaders of the labour party, 'jeremy corbyn' will still be the bogeyman the right of the party use to terrify

 

[brogdale]

The wriggling has started already. Gonna be fucking hilarious to watch them all adjusting their worldview to make sense of any other leader not being 20 pts ahead.

 

[tommers]

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But they're so electable.

 

[two sheds]

Labour set for huge election defeat in Hartlepool, internal polling suggests

Exclusive: Party’s own figures show only 40% of previous supporters pledge to back its candidate this time

www.theguardian.com

Labour insiders said polling from its ground campaign in the town showed only about 40% of the party’s previous supporters had pledged to vote for its candidate, Paul Williams.

So it's not just the unions with their negative polling who've betrayed Starmer, it's now his own party insiders

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Labour set for huge election defeat in Hartlepool, internal polling suggests

Exclusive: Party’s own figures show only 40% of previous supporters pledge to back its candidate this time

www.theguardian.com

So it's not just the unions with their negative polling who've betrayed Starmer, it's now his own party insiders

Kieth must be yearning for the heady days of that CWU poll. Their poll only showed Labour losing a working class seat that it has held for 60 years. This leak by disgruntled staffers shows Labour being eviscerated. The possible loss of Sunderland and Durham too - with their deep rooted links to the Labour and trade union movement - is, frankly, mind bogglingly bad.

 

[ska invita]

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quite funny

 

[two sheds]

Kieth must be yearning for the heady days of that CWU poll. Their poll only showed Labour losing a working class seat that it has held for 60 years. This leak by disgruntled staffers shows Labour being eviscerated. The possible loss of Sunderland and Durham too - with their deep rooted links to the Labour and trade union movement - is, frankly, mind bogglingly bad.

Fucking Corbyn

 

[brogdale]

Kieth must be yearning for the heady days of that CWU poll. Their poll only showed Labour losing a working class seat that it has held for 60 years. This leak by disgruntled staffers shows Labour being eviscerated. The possible loss of Sunderland and Durham too - with their deep rooted links to the Labour and trade union movement - is, frankly, mind bogglingly bad.

All rather dismal excuses, but 1.30 onwards is particularly awkward...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

All rather dismal excuses, but 1.30 onwards is particularly awkward...

Indeed. He also missed his leadership of Remain for Labour in his list of, rather nebulous, achievements

 

[PR1Berske]

This might be best put in a new thread, but while it's fresh in my mind.

Labour have yet to have their "Tory 1997" moment. The Conservatives were all but wiped out in 1997 and took years to fathom what they were and where they should focus their attention. Now it's complex, because UKIP et al. influenced them to a greater degree than much internally, but still, from Cameron's election as leader onwards they've become a successful electoral force.

Labour seem to have deliberately ignored any opportunity to do the same. They've lost every GE since 2010, and would appear to be on the verge of continuing to lose working class support across heartland areas of England.

Somebody, somewhere, needs to decide what Labour means. And if Hartlepool answers "meaningless" to a question of that nature, god help Labour if they don't sort themselves out.

 

[Wilf]

Suppose all politicians sound pretty whiney when they are way behind and in the headlights, but boy does he sound whiney. That look in his eyes hinted at clinical depression as well.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

This might be best put in a new thread, but while it's fresh in my mind.

Labour have yet to have their "Tory 1997" moment. The Conservatives were all but wiped out in 1997 and took years to fathom what they were and where they should focus their attention. Now it's complex, because UKIP et al. influenced them to a greater degree than much internally, but still, from Cameron's election as leader onwards they've become a successful electoral force.

Labour seem to have deliberately ignored any opportunity to do the same. They've lost every GE since 2010, and would appear to be on the verge of continuing to lose working class support across heartland areas of England.

Somebody, somewhere, needs to decide what Labour means. And if Hartlepool answers "meaningless" to a question of that nature, god help Labour if they don't sort themselves out.

If you changed the leader and candidate would Labour still be able to win? These are unusual times but there's obviously a shift going on. Would say Lisa Nandy have faired any better?

 

[killer b]

That look in his eyes hinted at clinical depression as well.

what.

 

[The39thStep]

If you changed the leader and candidate would Labour still be able to win? These are unusual times but there's obviously a shift going on. Would say Lisa Nandy have faired any better?

Lisa Nandy comes across as a concerned HR manager desperately seeking redundancies and wage cuts that are diversity friendly . At weekends she prob helps out in a Friends of the Park group.

 

[bellaozzydog]

The continuation SDP have nominated David Bettney, an ex-serviceman, here.

the use of “ex-serviceman” as a populist USP fucking enrages me.

you may as well say “John Smith, adequate former trombone player”

 

[not-bono-ever]

Servicemen have big resonance in the NE as virtually everyone has family connections to the forces

 

[Knotted]

I'm just amazed the SDP are still about.