Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Amusing little non issue that. The more but companies dump that piece of shit the better.
Googles Nexus 7 tablet discussion, reviews
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Amusing little non issue that. The more but companies dump that piece of shit the better.
FridgeMagnet
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Adobe have given up pretending that they can make a proper mobile version of Flash anyway. They seem to have enough trouble making a proper desktop version.
skyscraper101
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Remember the outrage and cries of stupidity at Apple for not supporting it when the iPad was launched. lol.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yep. It was a deal breaker along with it not having expandable storage. Funny how neither of those is an issue with a Google device isn't it?
editor
hiraethified
Nothing to do with changing standards, the growth of HTML 5 and other improved technology that manages to do the job better, then?Yep. It was a deal breaker along with it not having expandable storage. Funny how neither of those is an issue with a Google device isn't it?
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
What I don't understand is why Nexus 7 is so cheap.
The Kindle is cheap but then you then go and buy the eBooks from Amazon
Where's the Google monetisation plan here?
The Kindle is cheap but then you then go and buy the eBooks from Amazon
Where's the Google monetisation plan here?
skyscraper101
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Turn people onto Android, and thus Google Play to spend $$$
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
so they are going to get users to buy the apps on their store?
skyscraper101
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Not only, but familiarise people with Android in general. Get people on the Nexus 7, maybe they'll get a Android handset next time too.
What they need to do is get an established hardware line to sit with their OS (like Apple), get people locked into the Nexus brand.
What they need to do is get an established hardware line to sit with their OS (like Apple), get people locked into the Nexus brand.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
More people using Android and Google's services.
fen_boy
Exits gracefully.
Not just apps, content.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Nothing to do with changing standards, the growth of HTML 5 and other improved technology that manages to do the job better, then?
Its very amusing hearing that from you. Years ago you didnt seem very interested in what apple had done on the technological front to help push the alternatives forwards, nor were you interested in the shortcomings of flash, especially on mobile. A safer bet is that you just saw the omission of flash from the iphone as Apple being arrogant and controlling.
editor
hiraethified
That's because that's how it was widely perceived at the time because there were no alternatives. Flash is nowhere near as important or as compelling as it once was and that isn't all Apple's doing.
Some reading for you:
Apple Didn’t Kill Flash, HTML5 Did
http://mashable.com/2010/04/29/apple-flash-html5/
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
No, it wasn't going anywhere quickly. But once you needed it to target iOS, it went from techie toy to cv essential very quickly. Ask a recruiter.
editor
hiraethified
This is HTML we're talking about, not some niche technology. Apple's refusal to support Flash certainly contributed towards the drive for widespread HTML5 adoption, but you're living cloud cuckoo land if you think the technology "wasn't going anywhere" before that. It was. And some.
Err, no thanks.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
editor
hiraethified
Stop dragging me into your bullshit please: it's pathetic and disruptive and is of zero benefit to this forum. And your last comment doesn't even make sense.
No Apple didn't invent HTML5 but the Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group was started by people from Opera,Mozilla and Apple in 2004.This lead to the proposed HTML5 standard in 2007.
elbows
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Apple were early developers of quite a lot of html5 and CSS3 stuff, including a range of things that were not necessarily part of the original standard, but have been adopted more widely over time. Im pretty sure I was able to bore on about H.264 video in browser without flash before the initial iPhone, this stuff was already happening, albeit not to the level its reached now.
Its also quite likely that I talked about a lot of the tedious details back then, when we were first arguing about the merits of flash on smartphones. Its progressed but there has not been some great technological leap that made it impossible to see this stuff coming back then.
Its also quite likely that I talked about a lot of the tedious details back then, when we were first arguing about the merits of flash on smartphones. Its progressed but there has not been some great technological leap that made it impossible to see this stuff coming back then.
WHATWG was formed when W3C decided to ditch HMTL in favour of XML.In 2006 W3C decide there may be something in HTML5 after all and set up a working group.The three in the original group allowed W3C to publish a spec under copyright (this version was more restrictive than WHATWG one).Yes I agree thousands of people are helping in the development of HTML5 the fact remains however W3C tried to kill it stone dead and with out the split by the original three they would have succeded.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
You are really in over your head on this one, Ed. You have a great knowledge of what the hip techie crowd are into, but you don't have a clue when it comes to issues in the larger scheme. HTML5 was going nowhere as a technology to drive Flash-like applications until the iPhone hit it big. Larger companies, you know the ones that hire everyone and produce most of the content on the web, were ignoring it entirely up until then. You can't just say "This is HTML". No-one was using the new features, and old content is backward compatible. The fact that you don't want to know what recruiters think just shows that you're playing ignorant.
I mean, for fuck's sake, most restaurants have you download a friggin' PDF to read their menus still. As the above poster says, the standards committee even tried to kill HTML5 at one point. It is by no means certain that it would ever have had any real traction in the world until Apple supported it. And let me say this - in terms of their corporate practices, I friggin' hate Apple. But I'll give them this one. Google was perfectly willing to let Adobe dictate things, and Flash would still be the standard if Apple hadn't thrown their toys out of the pram.
editor
hiraethified
Be sure to write to all those tech writers who don't agree with you. There were already ample reasons for a shift towards HTML5, the biggest driver of which being getting away from a proprietary platform. HTML5 was going to happen, regardless of what Apple did, but they certainly propelled its trajectory.
skyscraper101
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I'm just glad flash has effectively been done away with. Whether you're Apple or Google, is a resource hog that nobody wants or needs.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It's a bit more complicated than just "HTML5" when you consider interactive web content, anyway. For instance a major driver has been the increasingly powerful and sophisticated JS engines of modern browsers, which has been driven by Mozilla, Apple and Google, the latter two being particularly significant in the last few years. (On mobile, it was Apple, full stop - there's just no arguing that one - though obviously they're not the only ones now.)
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Totally agree its a piece of shit.
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