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Googles Nexus 7 tablet discussion, reviews

They won't make a 7" tablet, any more than they made a netbook or an iPhone Mini or a budget computer or any of the other stuff everyone has said "oh but Apple must now make this because somebody else has" about over the years. At least, if they haven't just completely lost it.
 
They won't make a 7" tablet, any more than they made a netbook or an iPhone Mini or a budget computer or any of the other stuff everyone has said "oh but Apple must now make this because somebody else has" about over the years. At least, if they haven't just completely lost it.
There's always a depressingly lost list of blogs happy to pump out endless made-up nonsense about Apple, but just about everyone is confidently predicting a smaller iPad.
 
They won't make a 7" tablet, any more than they made a netbook or an iPhone Mini or a budget computer or any of the other stuff everyone has said "oh but Apple must now make this because somebody else has" about over the years. At least, if they haven't just completely lost it.

They will. It's coming, accept it. :D
 
I shall be sure to put it in my CV under "things I was right about" when they don't.
Mr Jobs will spin in his grave so speedily that I predict that there'll be a catastrophic shift in the Reality Distortion Field creating a devastating fanboy vortex.
 
Looks like it will shipping soon..£209 just been charged to my card!

who have you ordered with? tried ordering with ebuyer but they give expected date of 3rd august. will try hmv store tomorrow, but dont expect any luck
 
Mr Jobs will spin in his grave so speedily that I predict that there'll be a catastrophic shift in the Reality Distortion Field creating a devastating fanboy vortex.

Not quite, Jobs was well known for saying one thing one week then switching opinion the next.

Mr. Jobs, who died last year, was famous for both 180-degree reversals of opinion and deliberate diversions intended to keep competitors away from a juicy opportunity. His aversion to smaller tablets could have been such a diversion. Or, had he lived, Mr. Jobs might have simply changed his mind about the product.
 
I stream from my phone to the TV to watch netflix/youtube, but given a 7 Inch screen I'd just watch content on that with it on my lap tbh.
 
It's pretty irrelevant what Jobs said really - as people have pointed out, he changed his mind at times, and also, to state the obvious, he's dead. Unless the board of Apple is actually a ouija board his opinion is not going to have much impact now. Corporations aren't known for excessive sentiment.

Much as I've said it before: Apple's product strategy is based around entering areas with little or no existing competition - either because there's not much there already, or because they can convincingly redefine it on their own terms, as with the iPhone - and dominating them. They are famously resistant to doing anything because "everyone else is doing it". They're also famously unconcerned about providing different physical hardware options, being pretty convinced that it doesn't really make any difference to sales and in fact can be counterproductive due to confusion, and have in fact ruthlessly removed really popular models in the past (e.g. the 12" Powerbook). Plus there are extremely good reasons why a 7" tablet is in fact noticeably not like a phone or a 10" tablet in terms of UI and app design, and apps are what sell tablets.
 
It's pretty irrelevant what Jobs said really - as people have pointed out, he changed his mind at times, and also, to state the obvious, he's dead. Unless the board of Apple is actually a ouija board his opinion is not going to have much impact now. Corporations aren't known for excessive sentiment.
Indeed, but Jobs' cast a far longer shadow than any other tech boss, and it was his single mindedness that delivered much of Apple's success, identity, coolness and power.

It does seem that Apple are losing some of that at an alarming rate of knots at the moment.
 
Indeed, but Jobs' cast a far longer shadow than any other tech boss, and it was his single mindedness that delivered much of Apple's success, identity, coolness and power.

It does seem that Apple are losing some of that at an alarming rate of knots at the moment.
I don't see any particular indication that they are changing direction. And, well, while it was obviously something that he and Apple liked to promote - the idea that there was a central charismatic magical genius there with godlike powers - in fact these things are all corporate decisions, and Cook was in there as much as Jobs was. If they do actually make a 7" iPad after Google have made this one, that would be a sign that they really _have_ lost it, but I don't see any signs of that yet; behaviour is much as it used to be.
 
I don't see any particular indication that they are changing direction. And, well, while it was obviously something that he and Apple liked to promote - the idea that there was a central charismatic magical genius there with godlike powers - in fact these things are all corporate decisions, and Cook was in there as much as Jobs was. If they do actually make a 7" iPad after Google have made this one, that would be a sign that they really _have_ lost it, but I don't see any signs of that yet; behaviour is much as it used to be.

I reckon they will it's where the money is, why wouldn't they?
 
I don't see any particular indication that they are changing direction. And, well, while it was obviously something that he and Apple liked to promote - the idea that there was a central charismatic magical genius there with godlike powers - in fact these things are all corporate decisions, and Cook was in there as much as Jobs was. If they do actually make a 7" iPad after Google have made this one, that would be a sign that they really _have_ lost it, but I don't see any signs of that yet; behaviour is much as it used to be.
But do you really thing EPEATGate would have happened if Jobs had been around?

Apple have acted like twats before, but rarely have they created a PR disaster as embarrassing as this one and had US departments inviting others to start a boycott:

Apple's EPEAT Fiasco

Just over a week ago, Apple Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) pulled out of EPEAT, the Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool certification system. The system gives computers, notebooks, and monitors (and soon imaging equipment and TVs) bronze, silver, or gold ratings based on required and optional criteria. Apple took its registered products off the registry and dropped out of the development of the IEEE-1680.n series of EPEAT standards.

I won't speculate on why Apple walked away in an apparent huff. But others did. Not only did Apple give up EPEAT certification (as expected), but it also gave up customers, which apparently came as a surprise. The City of San Francisco quickly declared that city agencies would no longer be allowed to purchase Apple equipment with city funds.

Perhaps more significantly, EPEAT-listed products must comprise 95 percent of federal government agency purchases in a category covered by an IEEE-1680 standard. Apple gave up any hope of federal purchases of its computers, notebooks, and perhaps iPads. (Slates/tablets cannot meet certain EPEAT requirements as specified today, but that will probably change in the next version of the IEEE-1680.1 computer standard.) Many state and city governments and large organizations list EPEAT as a criterion for computer and notebook purchases. Maybe Apple overlooked this consequence of its action.

The outcry from the blogosphere and fanzines was fierce. But just a week after the turmoil began, it ended with Apple relenting. It came back to EPEAT with its tail between its legs. Bob Mansfield, senior vice president of hardware engineering, signed his name to the company's mea culpa.

http://www.ebnonline.com/author.asp?section_id=1054&doc_id=247461&itc=ebnonline_gnews
 
The intention of the Nexus 7 is only secondarily (at best) to challenge the iPad, anyway. It's more about (a) attacking Amazon (b) boosting the installed user base for Android tablets so that it's worth people writing apps for Android tablets and simultaneously (c) giving a kick up the arse to other Android tablet manufacturers. Note how the Nexus 7 is deliberately not the highest-end tablet in the world - it's got several significant issues like low onboard memory, no 3G etc, but carefully ones which don't actually stop it being useful, just encourage people to trade up if they like the basic idea.

Amazon are more Google's main competitor than Apple at the moment IMO. Google is very happy to deal with Apple when it's convenient, since they sell web services and advertising not hardware.
 
The advantage apple have had for ages, is that they've controlled both hardware and software on their products. Android was always at the behest of phone manufacturers marrying the OS to their device, and often bloating/skinning it. This prevented any proper Google brand identity to evolve.

With the Galaxy Nexus, and the Nexus 7. Everything is levelling out. Android & Nexus is as integrated as iPhone and iOS.

Unfortunately for Apple, this changes everything.
 
In fairness to Apple, they did get it so right on the exclusion of flash on iOS devices. As proven by the complete non-mention in any review I've read that the Nexus 7 doesn't support flash.
 
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