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Golliwog in the window - should this really be in court?

Orang Utan said:
Robertson’s Golliwog branding continued til 2002. Dunno why I should be surprised by that.
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There was a lot of fuss about that iirc, people defending and saying they shouldn't change the branding, "we all love the logo" type of bollocks.

Right big fuss about it when it should have been done away with decades earlier and why did it even exist in the first fucking place.
 
equationgirl said:
As far as rebranding goes, it was fairly innocuous and the gnashing of teeth over it embarrassing, quite frankly.
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Yeah it was made out to be a massive thing but in reality if it wasn't for the "but we reserve the right to be racist" noises coming from a small segment of society, no-one would have noticed.
I still never bought their jam in all that time and will never do so because of it mind you so I hope they and the fuckwits that made a big fuss about it all have a lovely time singing Land of Hope and Glory in the tiny corner of the universe they inhabit.
 
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I wouldn't advise reading the article, it contains a lot of the offensive things the pub licensee and his wife have said.

Also apparently the correct descriptor is 'golly folls'.
 
Yeah Grays is a bit shit, they have had BNP candidates before.
It doesn't mean that everyone in Grays is shit or should be written off though, I know some good people who have lived or still live there and the nuke the site from orbit option isn't necessarily the way to go about it.
We live in an increasingly fucked up society as part of an increasingly fucked up world.
It isn't the fault of people who live in Essex.

[/Captain Obvious]
 
Epona said:
It isn't the fault of people who live in Essex.
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Essex has suffered mightily from being the destination of choice for white flight racists. There's a swathe of the county which is habitually much worse than the average of either London or the rest of East Anglia. Polish friends of mine have commented on the way it seems like an invisible border has been crossed where their accent goes from completely unnoticeable to silencing the pub.
 
Rob Ray said:
Essex has suffered mightily from being the destination of choice for white flight. There's a swathe of the county which is habitually much worse than the average of either London or the rest of East Anglia. Polish friends of mine have commented on the way it seems like an invisible border has been crossed where their accent goes from completely unnoticeable to silencing the pub.
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Is white flight actually a real thing though?
Most of the people I know who have left London or other major conurbations have done so due to getting priced out of the housing market largely by property developers and landlords, not because someone of different ethnicity moved in next door.
Now I can see how this might have resulted in a little angry enclave hitting out at the wrong target not far from London, but it doesn't go all the way to explaining how this can happen in an area.
 
The major wave was earlier than the push of the housing crisis afaik, 1980s-90s. I remember seeing a map of some sort but can't find it atm.

Generally speaking I feel like the normalising of overt racism is often a much simpler process than people think - in the absence of pushback then people will keep doing the racist thing until there is. I saw gollywog dolls in a Barking shopping centre not long ago which were being ignored by pretty much everyone. Barking's got one of the highest black populations in Britain, 21% in the last census.
 
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equationgirl said:
Yes people are complicated, but fucks sake I tell my mother off for being racist and anti-immigration at the dinner table when she spouts that racist shit in front of my mixed race nephews. I want to show them those views are wrong and should be challenged no matter who says them.
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Nobody said it shouldn't be challenged equationgirl, and that illustrates the point well; you challenge the views not the person as a whole.
 
Orang Utan said:
Robertson’s Golliwog branding continued til 2002. Dunno why I should be surprised by that.
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I thought it was phased out earlier than that. I do recall one of their TV ads shortly after they’d retired their mascot that had the strap line “Made by Robertson’s - By Golly!” I hope some ad exec is still cringing over that one.
 
Epona said:
Yeah Grays is a bit shit, they have had BNP candidates before.
It doesn't mean that everyone in Grays is shit or should be written off though, I know some good people who have lived or still live there and the nuke the site from orbit option isn't necessarily the way to go about it.
We live in an increasingly fucked up society as part of an increasingly fucked up world.
It isn't the fault of people who live in Essex.

[/Captain Obvious]
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Yeah, my best mate is from Billericay and the  least racist guy I know.

As for this pub landlord, I don't know how he has the nerve to claim he's not racist when what he says and does blatantly is! It's like saying "I'm going to falsely report this person I don't like for benefit fraud and fuck up their money to teach them a lesson. I'm not spiteful, though."
 
tim said:
Fighting racism with racism.
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More parochialism I'd have thought, if it were based in genuine bigotry towards the entire populace (which it isn't) rather than an identification of a known social phenomenon which I've been to the county and helped Essex anti-racists protest about (eg. its long history of hosting BNP/Ukip strongholds). But also I'm not in a position to oppress the natives of Essex.
 
Rob Ray said:
The major wave was earlier than the push of the housing crisis afaik, 1980s-90s. I remember seeing a map of some sort but can't find it atm.

Generally speaking I feel like the normalising of overt racism is often a much simpler process than people think - in the absence of pushback then people will keep doing the racist thing until there is. I saw gollywog dolls in a Barking shopping centre not long ago which were being ignored by pretty much everyone. Barking's got one of the highest black populations in Britain, 21% in the last census.
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Portraying Barking as an exemplar of Essex normalisation of overt rascism based on dolls in the shopping centre is batshit. When was "not that long ago?" The 2010 election?? In which case you may as well be talking about a different era.
 
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